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Author: nonymnonym Date: Dec 29, 2007 11:49
> On Dec 19, 10:43 am, nonym yahoo.com> wrote:>> So, if I get your drift, both you guys are saying that the
>> "Love Under Will" comes about solely _via_ Will, rather
>> than being coterminous with one's "true" Will.
>>
>> And, (if you'll forgive a crass metaphor) if a gay Christian,
>> who wished he could follow the straight-and-narrow path,
>> came to you, his minister, asking how he might cultivate a
>> love for women where he was currently only attracted to
>> men, you'd just tell him "women are like men, just do it"?
>
> Which do you think is closer to one's "true" Will: one's
> religion or one's sexual desire?
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: Dec 29, 2007 13:15
nonym wrote:
> Kisai gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>On Dec 19, 10:43 am, nonym yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>So, if I get your drift, both you guys are saying that the
>>>"Love Under Will" comes about solely _via_ Will, rather
>>>than being coterminous with one's "true" Will.
>>>
>>>And, (if you'll forgive a crass metaphor) if a gay Christian,
>>>who wished he could follow the straight-and-narrow path,
>>>came to you, his minister, asking how he might cultivate a
>>>love for women where he was currently only attracted to
>>>men, you'd just tell him "women are like men, just do it"?
>>
>>Which do you think is closer to one's "true" Will: one's
>>religion or one's sexual desire?
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: Dec 29, 2007 14:33
nonym wrote:
> Kisai gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>On Dec 19, 10:43 am, nonym yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>So, if I get your drift, both you guys are saying that the
>>>"Love Under Will" comes about solely _via_ Will, rather
>>>than being coterminous with one's "true" Will.
>>>
>>>And, (if you'll forgive a crass metaphor) if a gay Christian,
>>>who wished he could follow the straight-and-narrow path,
>>>came to you, his minister, asking how he might cultivate a
>>>love for women where he was currently only attracted to
>>>men, you'd just tell him "women are like men, just do it"?
>>
>>Which do you think is closer to one's "true" Will: one's
>>religion or one's sexual desire?
>
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Author: TomTom Date: Dec 29, 2007 18:59
"nonym" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4776a44a$0$279$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...> Kisai gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Which do you think is closer to one's "true" Will: one's
>> religion or one's sexual desire?
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> Ultimately, one's "true will" _is_ one's real religion,
> although knowing that conventional doctrines are hardly
> even that for the clergymen who tout them, can be hard
> to grasp.
A religion is a model of the universe. It's just how we explain things to
ourselves. All explanations are imperfect, because the model cannot, by its
very nature, be that which is modelled. So no religion is "true" or "real".
> Lifeless, preserved in books, they can hardly
> ever be a fit for a real human.
If someone writes a book about you, does that make you lifeless? Or is it
just that the book is not the person it's about?
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Author: MelkorMelkor Date: Dec 30, 2007 16:15
On 29 Dec 2007 13:49:03 -0600, nonym yahoo.com> wrote:
>Kisai gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 19, 10:43 am, nonym yahoo.com> wrote:>>> So, if I get your drift, both you guys are saying that the
>>> "Love Under Will" comes about solely...
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: Jan 7, 2008 01:56
Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> nonym wrote:
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>> Ultimately, one's "true will" _is_ one's real religion,
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> "Know, son, that the true Principle of Self-Control is Liberty. For we
> are born into a World which is in Bondage...
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: Jan 7, 2008 01:59
Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
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>> nonym wrote:
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>>>
>>> Ultimately, one's "true will" _is_ one's real religion,
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>> "Know, son, that the true Principle of Self-Control is Liberty. For we
>> are born into a World which is in Bondage to Ideals; to them we are
>> perforce fitted, even as the Enemies to the Bed of Procrustes. Each of
>> us, as he grows, learns Repression of himself and his true Will. "It
>> is a lie, this folly against self": these Words are written in The
>> Book of the Law. So therefore these Passions in ourselves which we
>> understand to be Hindrances are not part of our True Will, but
>> diseased Appetites, manifest in us through false early Training. Thus
>> the Tabus of savage Tribes in such matter as Love constrain that True
>> Love which is born in us; and by this Constraint come ills of Body and ...
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Date: Jan 12, 2008 13:19
The word of Sin is Restriction.
nonym yahoo.com>:>>> ...both you guys are saying that the "Love Under Will"
>>> comes about solely _via_ Will, rather than being
>>> coterminous with one's "true" Will.
that makes it something to which to aspire or to attain.
this seems to be the primary interest in this dictum:
from PBRandolph's "Will reigns Omnipotent; Love lieth
at the Foundation" ("Mysteries of Eulis," 1874) to
Crowley's "Love is the law, love under will." this
is put across as a principle of optimizing, in which
the aim is love and the will is the modus operandi.
>>> And, (if you'll forgive a crass metaphor) if a gay Christian,
>>> who wished he could follow the straight-and-narrow path,
>>> came to you, his minister, asking how he might cultivate a
>>> love for women where he was currently only attracted to
>>> men, you'd just tell him "women are like men, just do it"?
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Author: TomTom Date: Jan 13, 2008 01:47
> On Dec 30 2007, 3:59 am, "Tom" comcast.net>
> wrote:>> Magick depends on the ignorant. If they were not ignorant, it would not
>> be
>> magick.
>
> OK I
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Author: KisaiKisai Date: Jan 13, 2008 15:12
> The word of Sin is Restriction.
Act according to your Pleasure.
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