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Author: mikamika Date: Nov 4, 2007 12:19
On Nov 4, 11:26 am, Absorbed wrote:
> A documentary about the savant Daniel Tammet ( http://video.google.com/
> videoplay?docid=4913196365903075662) made me think about how Qabalah
> promotes synesthetesic connections. Is attempting to make these types of
> connection a way to tap some of the power that it provides savants?
What do you mean by "power"?
> Another thing that interests me is the consistency of Crowley's
> attributions in Liber 777 and the attributions that synesthetes make. In
> the documentary he describes what textures, emotions, etc. he attributes
> to a few numbers, but I didn't think it was consistent with Crowley's
> attributions. I think that the value, if there is any, isn't found in any
> particular set of attributions but in making the neural connections. Your
> thoughts?
Internal consistency is important, not making the same connections as
everyone else. We each have unique interactions between our senses
and perception.
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Nov 4, 2007 12:50
mika wrote:
> On Nov 4, 11:26 am, Absorbed wrote:
>> A documentary about the savant Daniel Tammet ( http://video.google.com/
>> videoplay?docid=4913196365903075662) made me think about how Qabalah
>> promotes synesthetesic connections. Is attempting to make these types of
>> connection a way to tap some of the power that it provides savants? >
> What do you mean by "power"?
I was just thinking that just as savants can perform extraordinary
mathematical calculations, presumably these sorts of neural connections
could be harnessed for something else. To answer your question, I'm not
sure what. Perhaps an intuition when trading shares, as a bad example.
Or if you're running a business, perhaps it could aid in general
decision making, in creative ways as well as a sort of mathematical,
considered decision.
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Author: mikamika Date: Nov 5, 2007 10:38
On Nov 4, 12:50 pm, Absorbed wrote:
> mika wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 11:26 am, Absorbed wrote:
>>> A documentary about the savant Daniel Tammet ( http://video.google.com/
>>> videoplay?docid=4913196365903075662) made me think about how Qabalah
>>> promotes synesthetesic connections. Is attempting to make these types of
>>> connection a way to tap some of the power that it provides savants? >
>> What do you mean by "power"?
>
> I was just thinking that just as savants can perform extraordinary
> mathematical calculations, presumably these sorts of neural connections
> could be harnessed for something else. To answer your question, I'm not
> sure what. Perhaps an intuition when trading shares, as a bad example.
> Or if you're running a business, perhaps it could aid in general
> decision making...
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Nov 5, 2007 12:18
mika wrote:
> I don't know much about 'savants', but the ability to, say, perform
> extraordinary math calcs seems to be distinct from other functions of
> the brain such as intuition and 'big picture' decision making.
I vaguely remember an example of him illustrating how he multiplies two
large numbers by drawing the shapes for the numbers involved. The shapes
for the two numbers somehow slotted together and the resulting shape was
their multiplication. It was extremely odd.
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Author: mikamika Date: Nov 5, 2007 13:40
On Nov 5, 12:18 pm, Absorbed wrote:
> mika wrote:
>> I don't know much about 'savants', but the ability to, say, perform
>> extraordinary math calcs seems to be distinct from other functions of
>> the brain such as intuition and 'big picture' decision making.
>
> I vaguely remember an example of him illustrating how he multiplies two
> large numbers by drawing the shapes for the numbers involved. The shapes
> for the two numbers somehow slotted together and the resulting shape was
> their multiplication. It was extremely odd.
Extremely odd, very cool, but still pretty much just an alternative
kind of calculator, which can only be 'harnessed for other purposes'
as well as any HP, abacus or slide rule.
Now, if some kind of savant can integrate their mathematical abilities
with intuition or 'big picture' decision making types of brain
functions, the results could be very interesting.
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Nov 5, 2007 14:24
mika wrote:
> On Nov 5, 12:18 pm, Absorbed wrote:
>> mika wrote:
>>> I don't know much about 'savants', but the ability to, say, perform
>>> extraordinary math calcs seems to be distinct from other functions of
>>> the brain such as intuition and 'big picture' decision making.
>> I vaguely remember an example of him illustrating how he multiplies two
>> large numbers by drawing the shapes for the numbers involved. The shapes
>> for the two numbers somehow slotted together and the resulting shape was
>> their multiplication. It was extremely odd.
>
> Extremely odd, very cool, but still pretty much just an alternative
> kind of calculator, which can only be 'harnessed for other purposes'
> as well as any HP, abacus or slide rule.
I misread your post; I'm following you now.
> Now, if some kind of savant can integrate their mathematical abilities
> with intuition or 'big picture' decision making types of brain
> functions, the results could be very interesting.
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Author: TomTom Date: Nov 5, 2007 15:01
> On Nov 5, 12:18 pm, Absorbed wrote:
>> mika wrote:
>>> I don't know much about 'savants', but the ability to, say, perform
>>> extraordinary math calcs seems to be distinct from other functions of
>>> the brain such as intuition and 'big picture' decision making.
>>
>> I vaguely remember an example of him illustrating how he multiplies two
>> large numbers by drawing the shapes for the numbers involved. The shapes
>> for the two numbers somehow slotted together and the resulting shape was
>> their multiplication. It was extremely odd.
>
> Extremely odd, very cool, but still pretty much just an alternative
> kind of calculator, which can only be 'harnessed for other purposes'
> as...
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Nov 5, 2007 15:57
Tom wrote:
> As a matter of fact, Tammet has a great deal of trouble with "big picture"
> thinking. His understanding of the meanings embedded in language symbols is
> very concrete. He gives the example of the sentence "John isn't tall, he's
> a giant." To most folks, the meaning of that sentence is pretty clear, but
> Tammet understands it only because the meaning was carefully explained to
> him. His first abiding impression was that it was a nonsensical
> contradiction.
I didn't think of the fact that savants have trouble with "big picture"
thinking when I posted. I still think that in theory synesthesia could
aid "big picture" thinking. I guess I don't know enough about the brain
to come to an informed conclusion.
If savants have trouble with "big picture" thinking, then could this
mean that studying the different attributions in Qabalah could actually
have a detrimental effect?
Incidentally, I tried to read "The Feeling of What Happens", but I
decided to skip ahead rather than digest it and I became hopelessly
lost. Maybe now is a good time to return to it.
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 5, 2007 17:09
On Nov 5, 6:57 pm, Absorbed hotmail.com> wrote:> If savants have trouble with "big picture" thinking, then could this
> mean that studying the different attributions in Qabalah could actually
> have a detrimental effect?
What do you think the purpose of studying the Qabalah is?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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Author: TomTom Date: Nov 5, 2007 22:23
> Tom wrote:
>> As a matter of fact, Tammet has a great deal of trouble with "big
>> picture" thinking. His understanding of the meanings embedded in
>> language symbols is very concrete. He gives the example of the sentence
>> "John isn't tall, he's a giant." To most folks, the meaning of that
>> sentence is pretty clear, but Tammet understands it only because the
>> meaning was carefully explained to him. His first abiding impression was
>> that it was a nonsensical contradiction.
>
> I didn't think of the fact that savants have trouble with "big picture"
> thinking when I posted. I still think that in theory synesthesia could aid
> "big picture" thinking. I guess I don't...
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