"Bassos" wrote in message
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> "Tom"
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>> In Chapter 8, on renunciation and daring, Trungpa explains that the
>> renunciation of the warrior is not asceticism, but the casting aside of
>> any
>> sort of armor. The spiritual warrior encounters the world naked,
>> unprotected. This is possible because the warrior has nothing inside to
>> defend.
>
> I am a bit unclear about the relationship between ascetism and meeting the
> world head on.
You should read the book.
"In the ordinary sense, renunciation is often connected with asceticism.
You give up the sense pleasure of the world and embrace an austere spiritual
life in order to understand the higher meaning of existence. In Shambhala
context, renunciation is quite different. What the warrior renounces is
anything that is a barrier between himself and others. In other words,
renunciation is making yourself more available, more gentle and open to
others. Any hesitation about opening yourself to others is removed. For
the sake of others, you renounce your privacy."
>> That which needs protecting is the illusion of ego.
>
> Nah, it is other people's ego's that need protection.
> I love it when mine gets bruised.
You just like the attention. If you can't get it by doing admirable things,
you can get it by doing objectionable things. Either way, the illusion that
you're important is maintained.
>> Thus armor is any behavior we have that arises from selfishness.
>
> I am selfish, thus i am unselfish ?
You are selfish, thus you are selfish.
>> Trungpa says that the key thing a warrior must renounce is privacy. We
>> must
>> put aside anything that cuts us off from others.
>
> The main thing that cuts us off from others is being incarnate.
I don't agree with that claim at all.
> Are you sure he did not mean something else ?
"In meditation you can experience a sense of existence, or being, that
includes your thoughts but is not conditioned by your thoughts or limited to
your thinking process. You experience your thoughts, you label them
'thinking', and you come back to your breath, going out, expanding, and
dissolving into space. It is very simple, but it is quite profound. You
experience your world directly and you do not have to limit that experience.
You can be completely open, with nothing to defend and nothing to fear. In
that way you are developing renunciation of personal territory and
small-mindedness."
>> It is only when we are in touch with our basic goodness that we can even
>> conceive of shedding our armor and opening ourselves up to the people and
>> things around us.
>
> Opening up is easy if you do it straight from the start.
But that's not the way it happens, unless there's something seriously wrong
with your brain.
> If you experience problems acting as you really are, take a trip somewhere
> (anywhere), and act like you are all the way.
> (it is easier with strangers)
This is mere posturing.
