> On Apr 3, 3:05 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 11:46 am, mika gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Apr 3, 11:20 am, The Speaking Clock wrote:
>>

>>> That's more like it! :)
>>> Let's talk about sex. In trad. GD groups they don't have any sexual
>>> activity as part of the ritual initiation,

>> How do you know?
>>

>>> but there were several
>>> break away groups in the 70's that decided to incorporate sex into the
>>> ritual. These groups still regarded themselves as GD, not Thelma
>>> etc. I don't know why sex was incorporated,

>> Really?
>>

>>> and I would like to know
>>> further information about the rationals for this.

>> The rationale? On person is in a position of authority over another
>> person. The one with authority knows "secrets" which the other
>> desires to learn, which are taught through undisclosed means. Thus,
>> if the one wants sex from the other, all they need to say is "it is
>> necessary for your initiation for me to fuck you". For most people in
>> these groups, magical purpose or magick theory in practice has nothing
>> to do with why they incorporate sex into their rituals. If it did,
>> then it would be irrelevant whether the sex involved other people or
>> was a solo practice (or if someone was celibate).
>>
>> Now if you want to talk about sex magick, that's a whole other topic
>> than the use of sex in hierarchical magical organizations.
>> If you wish to have
>> a meaningful conversation with me, don't confuse the two subjects,
>> with eachother or with your issues with Zink.

>
>
> Sorry, Mika, but the issues "are" related. Just take a look at all of
> the defamation threads attacking David Griffin in this newsgroup
> linking to anonymous defamation websites just like the one that had
> been directly linked to Robert Zink! They are obviously related and
> can not be separated as long as the defamation trolls keep ruining
> any meaningful discussion in this newsgroup.