> On Apr 3, 11:20 am, The Speaking Clock wrote:
>

>> That's more like it! :)

>

>> Let's talk about sex. In trad. GD groups they don't have any sexual
>> activity as part of the ritual initiation,

>
> How do you know?
>

>> but there were several
>> break away groups in the 70's that decided to incorporate sex into the
>> ritual. These groups still regarded themselves as GD, not Thelma
>> etc. I don't know why sex was incorporated,

>
> Really?
>

>> and I would like to know
>> further information about the rationals for this. ...

>
> Just take a look at all of
> the defamation threads attacking David Griffin in this newsgroup
> linking to anonymous defamation websites just like the one that had
> been directly linked to Robert Zink!

> On Apr 3, 4:48 pm, hodgaomoder...@golden-dawn.com wrote:
>
>
>

>> Just take a look at all of
>> the defamation threads attacking David Griffin in this newsgroup
>> linking to anonymous defamation websites just like the one that had
>> been directly linked to Robert Zink!

>
> No, not interested.
>
> Buh bye.

> On Apr 3, 3:05 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 11:46 am, mika gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Apr 3, 11:20 am, The Speaking Clock wrote:
>>

>>> That's more like it! :)
>>> Let's talk about sex. In trad. GD groups they don't have any sexual
>>> activity as part of the ritual initiation,

>> How do you know?
>>

>>> but there were several
>>> break away groups in the 70's that decided to incorporate sex into the
>>> ritual. These groups still regarded themselves as GD, not Thelma
>>> etc. I don't know why sex was incorporated,

>> Really?
>>

>>> and I would like to know
>>> further information about the rationals for this.

>> The rationale? On person is in a position of authority over another
>> person. The one with authority knows "secrets" which the other ...

> hodgaomoder...@golden-dawn.com wrote:

>> On Apr 3, 3:05 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 11:46 am, mika gmail.com> wrote:

>>> On Apr 3, 11:20 am, The Speaking Clock wrote:

>

>>>> That's more like it!  :)
>>>> Let's talk about sex.  In trad. GD groups they don't have any sexual
>>>> activity as part of the ritual initiation,

>>> How do you know?

>

>>>> but there were several
>>>> break away groups in the 70's that decided to incorporate sex into the
>>>> ritual.  These groups still regarded themselves as GD, not Thelma
>>>> etc.  I don't know why sex was incorporated,

>>> Really?

>

>>>> and I would like to know
>>>> further information about the rationals for this.

>>> The rationale?  On person is in a position of authority over another ...

> On Apr 4, 1:46 am, Absorbed hotmail.com> wrote:

>> hodgaomoder...@golden-dawn.com wrote:

>>> On Apr 3, 3:05 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 3, 11:46 am, mika gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> For most people in
>>>> these groups, magical purpose or magick theory in practice has nothing
>>>> to do with why they incorporate sex into their rituals. If it did,
>>>> then it would be irrelevant whether the sex involved other people or
>>>> was a solo practice (or if someone was celibate).
>>>> Now if you want to talk about sex magick, that's a whole other topic
>>>> than the use of sex in hierarchical magical organizations.
>>>> If you wish to have
>>>> a meaningful conversation with me, don't confuse the two subjects,
>>>> with eachother or with your issues with Zink.

>>> Sorry, Mika, but the issues "are" related. Just take a look at all of
>>> the defamation threads attacking David Griffin in this newsgroup
>>> linking to anonymous defamation websites just like the one that had
>>> been directly linked to Robert Zink! They are obviously related and
>>> can not be separated as long as the defamation trolls keep ruining ...