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Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: hodgaomoderatrhodgaomoderatr Date: Apr 3, 2008 16:48
On Apr 3, 3:05 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:46 am, mika gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 3, 11:20 am, The Speaking Clock wrote:
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>> That's more like it! :)
>
>> Let's talk about sex. In trad. GD groups they don't have any sexual
>> activity as part of the ritual initiation,
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> How do you know?
>
>> but there were several
>> break away groups in the 70's that decided to incorporate sex into the
>> ritual. These groups still regarded themselves as GD, not Thelma
>> etc. I don't know why sex was incorporated,
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> Really?
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>> and I would like to know
>> further information about the rationals for this.
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> The rationale? On person is in a position of authority over another
> person. The one with authority knows "secrets" which the other
> desires to learn, which are taught through undisclosed means. Thus,
> if the one wants sex from the other, all they need to say is "it is
> necessary for your initiation for me to fuck you". For most people in
> these groups, magical purpose or magick theory in practice has nothing
> to do with why they incorporate sex into their rituals. If it did,
> then it would be irrelevant whether the sex involved other people or
> was a solo practice (or if someone was celibate).
>
> Now if you want to talk about sex magick, that's a whole other topic
> than the use of sex in hierarchical magical organizations.
>If you wish to have
> a meaningful conversation with me, don't confuse the two subjects,
> with eachother or with your issues with Zink.
Sorry, Mika, but the issues "are" related. Just take a look at all of
the defamation threads attacking David Griffin in this newsgroup
linking to anonymous defamation websites just like the one that had
been directly linked to Robert Zink! They are obviously related and
can not be separated as long as the defamation trolls keep ruining
any
meaningful discussion in this newsgroup.
Here is another example. You talk about the exploitation of positions
of authority for sexual purposes in the Golden Dawn. It is impossible
to discuss this without discussing Robert Zink since he is the only
Golden Dawn leader ever to have been proven to have sexually abused
the underaged daughter of one of his order members. He tried to deny
this until the victim's mother provided the birth certificate of the
child that he had sired on her daughter in indignation.
Statutory rape of minors is a serious issue and the problem is that
most child abusers are repeat offenders. How do we know that the
children of Mr. Zink's order are safe with a known sexuall predator
leading the Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn.
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