> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

>> My point is not that scientific reasoning is to be belittled, but
>> that it ultimately is a belief system as well.

>
> Then your point is sheer bullshit.

>> What is more, the fundamental premise upon which science is
>> founded, that there is an order to the universe and that its laws
>> are possible to be deduced through our human senses of observation,
>> cannot be proven by its own methods. That, by anyone's definition,
>> represents a belief system.

>
> Bollocks. The fundamental premise behind science is that a process of
> measurement and explanation of those measurements can accurately
> represent the world we can perceive and measure. That is not belief,
> it is a simple statement of fact.

> On Feb 6, 6:24 am, The Magpie wrote:

>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

>>> My point is not that scientific reasoning is to be belittled, but
>>> that it ultimately is a belief system as well.

>>
>> Then...

>
> Well I read what he actually said and I cannot see what you seem to see,
> but then perhaps my education is better. Actually Joseph is right to a
> point. Science is often a belief system, representing beliefs held by
> scientists. Scientists (who are the only ones who can really represent
> science) often believes themselves to be right, and often turn out to be
> completely wrong (Lord Kelvins statement at the end of the 19th
> Century), sometimes only partially right (evolution/natural selection),
> or only representative of special cases (Newtonian mechnics).
>
> So on balance Mika, I suspect that it may be you who is the idiot. I am
> surprised you do not try to be less of an idiot but hey, perhaps you
> enjoy that pain too - no?

> Richard Ellis wrote:

>>
>> Well I read what he actually said and I cannot see what you seem to
>> see, but then perhaps my education is better. Actually Joseph is right
>> to a point. Science is often...

> Richard Ellis wrote:
>

>>
>> Well I read what he actually said and I cannot see what you seem to
>> see, but then perhaps my education is better. Actually Joseph is right
>> to a point. Science is often a belief system, representing beliefs
>> held by scientists. Scientists (who are the only ones who can really
>> represent science) often believes themselves to be right, and often
>> turn out to be completely wrong (Lord Kelvins statement at the end of
>> the 19th Century), sometimes only partially right (evolution/natural
>> selection), or only representative of special cases (Newtonian mechnics).
>>
>> So on balance Mika, I suspect that it may be you who is the idiot. I
>> am surprised you do not try to be less of an idiot but hey, perhaps
>> you enjoy that pain too - no?

>
>
> Thank you Richard, i was trying to gather various points of view, both
> pro and con on the argument, for another purpose than this news group. ...