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Date: May 15, 2008 21:02
Joseph Littleshoes isp.com>:>nocTifer wrote:
>> Joseph Littleshoes isp.com>:>>>Both religion and science have done great harm as well as good. Which
>>>is why i am fond of Crowley's motto of his Equinox: "The method of
>>>science, the aim of religion."
>> I'm familiar with the method of science ("the scientific method"),
>> but what is "the aim of religion"? is there only one? what is it?
>> why is it laudible?
> ...to me the motto, taking Crowley's other writings on "Magick"
> into consideration, suggests an ongoing struggle to define a
> relationship or even 'obligation' to a sense of deity that
> through the 'method of science' the understanding of constantly
> recedes.
I thought he was just reiterating his mystical interests,
and subsumed religion to these or sacrificed it thereby.
his general interest seemed to be to do this like Hermetics
of most stripes. he did this within his Magick also.
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Author: mikamika Date: May 19, 2008 12:13
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>>religion can be a
>>necessary (however false) brake on sciences mad rush to trivialize and
>>brutalize the human experience, perhaps at some point in human evolution
>>these human will have the ability to wield power in a compassionate and
>>thoughtful manner, until then, it seems to me, false or not, religion
>>plays a significant role in at least trying to restrain science from its
>>tendency to trivialize the individual.
The idea that science has a tendency to trivialize the individual is
based on religious beliefs, and the idea that religion is a necessary
brake on this supposed tendency is also a result of religious
beliefs. There is no place for religion in science or in the
scientific pursuit of knowledge.
nagasiva: re: your thread title. Science and Religion are apples
and orangutans, there is no basis for contrast or comparison.
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: May 19, 2008 14:06
mika wrote, On 5/19/2008 3:13 PM:
>There is no place for religion in science or in the
> scientific pursuit of knowledge.
>
In the pursuit of knowledge, the scientists are still asking,
"What is really going on?" The big block between the workings
of scientific philosophy, using the scientific method, and
religion using "mostly" faith, is the attempt to move from the
supernatural God(s)--to the unimaginably huge Entity who we are
a very small part of.
We already have two statements where we can start:
1.) The universe is finite, yet unbounded.
2.) We are only "sure" about life *as*we*know*it*; so far. (Heh.)
As you are aware Mika, I am of the opinion that the journey
inward into one's own consciousness is a valid route to the
discovery of, or uncovering of, one's True Nature©.
A couple of nice things that I've run across:
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: May 19, 2008 14:58
mika wrote:
>>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>religion can be a
>>>necessary (however false) brake on sciences mad rush to trivialize and
>>>brutalize the human experience, perhaps at some point in human evolution
>>>these human will have the ability to wield power in a compassionate and
>>>thoughtful manner, until then, it seems to me, false or not, religion
>>>plays a significant role in at least trying to restrain science from its
>>>tendency to trivialize the individual.
>
>
> The idea that science has a tendency to trivialize the individual is
> based on religious beliefs,
Not at all, i know professed atheists that feel the same way. Are you
familiar with actuarial tables?
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Author: mikamika Date: May 19, 2008 18:24
On May 19, 2:06 pm, Meltdarok wrote:
> mika wrote, On 5/19/2008 3:13 PM:
>
>>There is no place for religion in science or in the
>> scientific pursuit of knowledge.
>
> In the pursuit of knowledge, the scientists are still asking,
> "What is really going on?" The big block between the workings
> of scientific philosophy, using the scientific method, and
> religion using "mostly" faith, is the attempt to move from the
> supernatural God(s)--to the unimaginably huge Entity who we are
> a very small part of.
No. The "big block" is that science uses the scientific method, while
philosophy ("scientific" or otherwise) and religion are purely
speculative. End of story.
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Author: mikamika Date: May 19, 2008 18:35
On May 19, 2:58 pm, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> mika wrote:
>>>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>>>>religion can be a
>>>>necessary (however false) brake on sciences mad rush to trivialize and
>>>>brutalize the human experience, perhaps at some point in human evolution
>>>>these human will have the ability to wield power in a compassionate and
>>>>thoughtful manner, until then, it seems to me, false or not, religion
>>>>plays a significant role in at least trying to restrain science from its
>>>>tendency to trivialize the individual.
>
>> The idea that science has a tendency to trivialize the individual is
>> based on religious beliefs,
>
> Not at all, i know professed atheists that feel the same way.
Apparently, these "professed atheists" are still attached to certain
religious beliefs.
> Are you familiar with actuarial tables?
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: May 19, 2008 21:28
mika wrote:
> On May 19, 2:58 pm, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>>mika wrote:
>>
>>>>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>
>>>>>religion can be a
>>>>>necessary (however false) brake on sciences mad rush to trivialize and
>>>>>brutalize the human experience, perhaps at some point in human evolution
>>>>>these human will have the ability to wield power in a compassionate and
>>>>>thoughtful manner, until then, it seems to me, false or not, religion
>>>>>plays a significant role in at least trying to restrain science from its
>>>>>tendency to trivialize the individual.
>>
>>>The idea that science has a tendency to trivialize the individual is
>>>based on religious beliefs,
>>
>>Not at all, i know professed atheists that feel the same way.
> ...
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Author: Mike PainterMike Painter Date: May 19, 2008 23:03
>>> Religiously enshrining the worth and importance of every individual
>>> may be a good thing in the long run, if it helps the species to
>>> become more compassionate.
>>
It is not and never has been necessary to do that. Science has recently
shown why the "golden Rule" has popped up so often in history.
Mirror cells are responsible, some people have none and some have a lot.
The species as a whole is comapssionate, as are some other animals, and
evolution explains it nicely.
No god or religion needed.
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Author: Joseph LittleshoesJoseph Littleshoes Date: May 19, 2008 23:21
Mike Painter wrote:
>>>> Religiously enshrining the worth and importance of every individual
>
>>>>may be a good thing in the long run, if it helps the species to
>>>>become more compassionate.
>>>
> It is not and never has been necessary to do that.
As i so noted in that part of my post you are responding to that you
edited out. And in doing so you also edit out the bit where i agree
with you that it is not necessary but it is what has been done, religion
and philosophy HAVE had and continue to have effects.
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: May 20, 2008 00:01
mika wrote, On 5/19/2008 9:24 PM:
> On May 19, 2:06 pm, Meltdarok wrote:
>> mika wrote, On 5/19/2008 3:13 PM:
>>
>>> There is no place for religion in science or in the
>>> scientific pursuit of knowledge.
>> In the pursuit of knowledge, the scientists are still asking,
>> "What is really going on?" The big block between the workings
>> of scientific philosophy, using the scientific method, and
>> religion using "mostly" faith, is the attempt to move from the
>> supernatural God(s)--to the unimaginably huge Entity who we are
>> a very small part of.
>
> No. The "big block" is that science uses the scientific method, while
> philosophy ("scientific" or otherwise) and religion are purely
> speculative. End of story.
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