FrankB wrote:
>>
>> FrankB wrote:
>>> James , wrote, a écrit, schreef in alt.magick,
>>>
>>>> 3. Talk about activities, and only activities pertaining to the name
>>>> of the current group.
>>>
>>> Indeed, I spent the night reading the quran from left to right, it is
>>> AMAZING how everything shows up, htaruos by htaruos, worthwhile !
>>> I think i might pursue my magickal activities in finding a method to
>>> calculate the aethirical apex in an oblongue corridor ..
I must be extremely dim, I have no idea what that was supposed to mean.
Note to self: read online Merriam-Webster Dictionary and Wikipedia
Encyclopedia to figure out what all that meant.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't Arabic read right-to-left?
>
> Yes, as you prolly know, like most of semitic languages.
I'm not sure if Asian languages are tossed in the category of Semitic
languages, but I believe they are also read right to left (of course I
could be wrong).
>
>> I suppose it doesn't matter with an
>> English translation though.
>
> True feverish Arabs will tell you there is no correct translation possible
> ( taling about the quran ).
Yes, why they are akin to Jewish Rabbis having non-ending debates on
verse and meaning.
> Since the quran is also the only and *only* book in so called standard
> Arabic, it is also refered as the written example how the language ..true
> Arabic should be spoken. Which leads them into an intellectual trap because
> on the other hand, the true and the few Arab philologists will also tell
> you that it is not the very written as script that matters, it is the
> spoken language that rules. ( Arab spoken language of wich muezzins say
> reciting the quran, that it is *the* language of god ).
>
I could see that.
> Each argument i had with hardcore muslims , talking about religion *always*
> led to a final turnaround : "Maybe, but one does have to know Arabic to
> fully understand the quran and to interprete it the correct way".
>
True.
> What is your point of view on islam, James.
> ( not a troll, i am really interested in someone who has the *guts* to
> reply, my word on that ).
Not a problem. I had a relative close to me who was an archaeologist,
did an extensive work in Iraq decades ago, and served as a chair of a
university Near-Eastern Studies department and also taught archaeology
classes as well. He likewise studied Asian languages as well as Hebrew
(Biblical) and Arabic.
My thought on Islam is that it can, like many other religions, be quite
beautiful and enlighten the student; that is, the person studying the
Koran (Quran?).
However, like many other religions is can also be used in a different
direction, that of control. Which is itself may not be necessarily
bad, but to the masses who at times and some still are quite
illiterate, are spoonfed verses interpreted the wrong way or the wrong
verse possibly, and believe it as stone truth.
Mohammed being taught the Quran by Gabriel in the cave is no less
believeable than Moses listening to the burning bush, or John being
shown Revelations by Jesus.
It could also be said it is no less believable than The Book of Mormon
teaching whatever his face was by whomever the angel was.
There are some matters which can be disturbing to the masses outside of
it, or some in it. For instance, the treatment and place of women in
societies who are Muslim. Another is the amount of prayer one does in
the life of a Muslim. Another is the system in what they refrain from
and what they can indulge in without going overboard (for instance, you
cannot smoke or drink, but you can eat honeycakes as long as you dont
become a lardass from doing so). Discipline and self-control.
It is hard for some outside (as well as those struggling within) to
follow this way of life. However, this is also seen in Christianity
and Judaism, Bhuddism and Hinduism. Some can be more lax than other,
and some are more strict in the way of the life of the follower.
We (the masses outside) want everything now, in this day and age, and
our lifes are transformed by this mindset. We (the masses outside)
cannot tolerate a parental figure telling us how to live or think. But
the simple truth to the followers of those religions, is that as time
goes on, God (Allah, YHVH, Buddha, etc) does not change, nor the
commandments set out to the world. We can interpret them correctly or
incorrectly or try to sneak "little white lies" into the translation to
decide how our mindset will be in life. I can appreciate the
discipline and self control of Muslims, Christians, and Jews, but I
know my mindset is that outside the masses, although I would rather it
be on the other end. However, some branches go overboard within the
extremes, such as the Branch Davidians and the Al-Queida.
People who are not "terribly bright" are taught the wrong material, put
on the wrong track, and put themselves in spiritual and mortal danger,
due to the leaders who are teaching the wrong things.
This is my opinion, and only that.
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