Tom wrote:
>> Tom wrote:
>>>> If you wish to see the evidence out there for ghost/demons manifesting
>>>> as physical phenomena then do a google search for "ghosts", "ghosts em
>>>> fields", "ghosts photos" or "ghost recordings".
>>> Like I said, not one demonstration to independent observers under
>>> conditions that would reasonably rule out trickery.
>>>
>>> The unverifiable testimony of the faithful and the gullible is not such a
>>> demonstration.
>>>
>>> "EM fields". heh.
>> There is none so blind as those who will not see.
>
> And none so stupid as those who taken this kind of patent nonsense on faith
> alone.
>
>> You wave away all those millions of google links without having checked
>> them so all
>
> I've done quite a bit of checking on those claims. Not one of them can
> stand up to careful scrutiny.
>
> Let's take a few examples. Let's Google "ghost em fields" and see what we
> get.
>
> First there's a huckster selling a $200 "EM detector". There is no link to
> any scientific research regarding its claim to detect ghosts. None. Zero.
> Zip. Nada.
>
> Next is the "Southwest Ghost Hunters Association. Three guys in black
> t-shirts taking pictures of each other in a cemetery. Any science here?
> No. No. No.
>
> Next is another page by the same three dopes.
>
> Then comes another ad for the same "EM detector" as in the first link.
>
> Moving on, we have the "Ghost Chasers International" run by Patti and Chip.
> Patti is the science one. Her credentials are that she owns a lot of
> "scientific equipment", like cameras and video recorders. Her biography
> says she graduated high school. But hey, she once did a free lecture on
> ghosts at Temple University and she ran a "Introductory to Ghost Hunting"
> class at the Lexington Community College. High powered science, alright.
>
> Next is yet another ad for the same "EM detector".
>
> And so it goes.
>
> Got any notable exceptions to this parade of folly?
>
>> There is plenty of evidence out there but you refuse to accept them merely
>> because you wish to be right.
>
> Because Patti the High School Graduate and the Three Stooges Meet the Undead
> are the best you can offer.
>
>> If I'm wrong then why aren't you checking out the evidence?
>
> I have. You haven't or you'd have better than you offered.
>
>
No, you haven't. You are looking for specific ones that you think might
back up your position rather than looking with an open and inquiring
mind. Your mind is closed to the possibility so you are going to find
that which suits your own beliefs. All you are interested in is winning
an argument, you are quite obviously not interested in earnestly seeking
for possible evidence. I tell you what I will do seeing as I have done
some research and have ongoing spirit manifestations happening: You find
me three bonafide scientists that have no a priori axe to grind (i.e.
members of csicop) that are prepared to risk their career by openly
investigating mine or others ghost phenomena and you just may have
something. Can you do that? Out of the millions of people who claim to
be able to record ghosts in various ways how many of them has modern
science investigated? How many scientists are there that are even
prepared to open themselves to the inevitable ridicule they will
receive? It is attitudes like yours that prevents open investigation of
such phenomena because people are too afraid of ruining their
reputations and careers for even entertaining such "tin foil hat" ideas.
It is a kind of Dark Ages Christian Church mentality that refuses to
look at the evidence that the world isn't actually flat after all, God
forbid!
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