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Author: CoreyWhite
Date: Jan 2, 2007 19:43

So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could crank
out a wapping 1.5 volts, (but don't ask me what the wattage on the
thing is). And I got a low voltage 0.3volt motor.

But low and behold I found out my famous quadrupole magnet wasn't
strong enough to spin the generator, even when I used the strongest
magnets in my collection I had to get it spinning. So I got a few
different sized washers from the hardware store, and I build a
quadrupole around the generator, with my real presicion made quadrupole
at the center. And wouldn't you know that the thing spun like crazy?
It worked so much better using the real quadrupole at the center, and I
arranged 6 magnets underneath it, and around the generators axel in
another quadrupole. I doubled up the strength of 2 of them and used
smaller magnets for the four others. They switched polarities half way
around the circumfrence of the generator. And boy did it spin.
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Phineas T Puddleduck
Date: Jan 2, 2007 19:52

In article <1167795805.727103.270400@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>,
"CoreyWhite" gmail.com> wrote:
> But any tips or advice on
> experimenting would help while I play around with gears and keep
> looking at my options.

Give up - you're making a complete arse of yourself. There is no such
thing as a perpetual motion machine.

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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Ross Herbert
Date: Jan 2, 2007 20:38

On 2 Jan 2007 19:43:27 -0800, "CoreyWhite" gmail.com>
wrote:
>So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
>motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
>went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could...
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Eric Gisse
Date: Jan 2, 2007 20:58

CoreyWhite wrote:

[snip latest bout of failure]
> But any tips or advice on experimenting would
> help while I play around with gears and keep looking at my options.
>
> Thanks!!!

Why ask when you aren't going to listen?
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Ancient_Hacker
Date: Jan 3, 2007 05:07

Ross Herbert wrote:
> Methinks there is something very fishy here....

Many fishy things here:

* As you noted, the input isnt really DC, it's full-wave rectified AC,
which is going to fool the DC meters somewhat.

* And it's plain wrong for full-wave rectified AC to measure power as
the product of the "DC" meter readings. It's wrong even if they used
AC meters. They're so far off, they're not even wrong.

* same thing on the AC side-- cheap "AC" meters actually measure the
average AC voltage, then they paint on a scale thats 66%% higher to
convert sort-of from average to RMS, but of course that's only correct
for perfectly clean sine waves.

* And it's wet-your-pants funny that they're using cheap, probably 5%%
accuracy at very best analog meters. My local Harbor-Freight store has
a sale on 1%% digital multimeters for $2.99 each. Funny how for an
experiment that will get them a Nobel prize plus several billion
dollars in patent royalyies per month, they did not go out and buy
better quality meters.
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: boson boss
Date: Jan 3, 2007 05:23

CoreyWhite wrote:
> So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
> motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
> went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could crank
> out a wapping 1.5 volts, (but don't ask me what the wattage on the
> thing is). And I got a low voltage 0.3volt motor.
>
> But low and behold I found out my famous quadrupole magnet wasn't
> strong enough to spin the generator, even when I used the strongest
> magnets in my collection I had to get it spinning. So I got a few
> different sized washers from the hardware store, and I build a
> quadrupole around the generator, with my real presicion made quadrupole
> at the center. And wouldn't you know that the thing spun like crazy?
> It worked so much better using the real quadrupole at the center, and I
> arranged 6 magnets underneath it, and around the generators axel in
> another quadrupole. I doubled up the strength of 2 of them and used
> smaller magnets for the four others. They switched polarities half way
> around the circumfrence of the generator. And boy did it spin.
>
> The only problem was that my motor didn't have enough torque. And to ...
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Ross Herbert
Date: Jan 3, 2007 17:15

On 3 Jan 2007 05:07:56 -0800, "Ancient_Hacker" comcast.net>
wrote:
>
>Ross Herbert wrote:
>> Methinks there is something very fishy here....
>
>Many fishy things here:
>
>* As you noted, the input isnt really DC, it's full-wave rectified AC,
>which is going to fool the...
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Don Lancaster
Date: Jan 3, 2007 17:15

Ross Herbert wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:41:30 -0500, psidre felix gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:38:09 GMT, Ross Herbert wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 2 Jan 2007 19:43:27 -0800, "CoreyWhite" gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
>>>>motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
>>>>went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could crank
>>>>out a wapping 1.5 volts, (but don't ask me what the wattage on the
>>>>thing is). And I got a low voltage 0.3volt motor.
>>>>
>>>>But low and behold I found out my famous quadrupole magnet wasn't
>>>>strong enough to spin the generator, even when I used the strongest ...
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Don Lancaster
Date: Jan 3, 2007 17:18

boson boss wrote:
> CoreyWhite wrote:
>
>>So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
>>motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
>>went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could crank
>>out a wapping 1.5 volts, (but don't ask me what the wattage on the
>>thing is). And I got a low voltage 0.3volt motor.
>>
>>But low and behold I found out my famous quadrupole magnet wasn't
>>strong enough to spin the generator, even when I used the strongest
>>magnets in my collection I had to get it spinning. So I got a few
>>different sized washers from the hardware store, and I build a
>>quadrupole around the generator, with my real presicion made quadrupole
>>at the center. And wouldn't you know that the thing spun like crazy?
>>It worked so much better using the real quadrupole at the center, and I
>>arranged 6 magnets underneath it, and around the generators axel in
>>another quadrupole. I doubled up the strength of 2 of them and used
>>smaller magnets for the four others. They switched polarities half way
>>around the circumfrence of the generator. And boy did it spin. ...
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Re: Perpetual Motion Failure!         


Author: Don Lancaster
Date: Jan 3, 2007 17:19

psidre felix wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:48:34 GMT, Ross Herbert wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:41:30 -0500, psidre felix gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:38:09 GMT, Ross Herbert wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 2 Jan 2007 19:43:27 -0800, "CoreyWhite" gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So I have been working constantly since 2:00PM EST on my perpetual
>>>>>motion machine. All the parts I ordered arived on my doorstep, and I
>>>>>went straight to work. I got one $300 wind generator, that could crank
>>>>>out a wapping 1.5 volts, (but don't ask me what the wattage on the
>>>>>thing is). And I got a low voltage 0.3volt motor. ...
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