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Author: Bassos
Date: Apr 9, 2008 01:07

Heyas,

I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.

In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and i
kinda liked one.

So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy to
do enough research for this one.

here goes :

Musings

The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
worlds.

They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.

This bothers me.

Repetition seems like a sure fire way to end up in stagnation.

There are a myriad of different Tree's of Life out there, with different
forms, attributes, a big mess.

A big mess is very good for inducing confusion.

Confusion is good, it can be a road towards change.

(see me adding my bit of confusion, right here :P)

The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Meltdarok
Date: Apr 9, 2008 07:06

On Apr 9, 4:07 am, "Bassos" wrote:
> Heyas,
>
> I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.
>
> In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and i
> kinda liked one.
>
> So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy to
> do enough research for this one.
>
> here goes :
>
> Musings
>
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
> worlds.
>
> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
> ...
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: mika
Date: Apr 9, 2008 11:05

On Apr 9, 1:07 am, "Bassos" wrote:
>
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
> worlds.

I have never come across a rendering in which the four worlds are
expressed as identical. Can you provide a link to at least one, if
not more?
> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.

If the scale is denser, then it is not identical. Perhaps you prefer
the distinction to be depicted in a less subtle manner.
> The most authoritive text on the tree of life is the sefer yetzirah.
>
> In it, it is made quite clear that there are 3 singles, 7 doubles, and 12
> singles.

Close. 3 mother letters, 7 double letters, and 12 simple or elemental
letters.
> In Assiah, we see the universe from our viewpoint.

We see the universe from our viewpoint in every world.
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Bassos
Date: Apr 10, 2008 22:54

"Meltdarok" aol.com> wrote in message
news:c8bf5b47-67c6-47ef-a7ea-77363aea3aa9@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 9, 4:07 am, "Bassos" wrote:
>
> It is interesting to note the hint of the TOL in the Bible in 1
> Chronicles 29:11,
> where there are five sefirot mentioned in exact order.
>
> 1 Chronicles 29:10-22 (KJV)
> 10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and
> David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever
> and ever.
>11 Thine, O LORD, is

1 :the greatness, and (chesed)
2 the power, and (geburah)
3 the glory, and (hod)
4 the victory, and (netzach)
5 the majesty: (tiphareth)

Doesn't seem to be in order at all.
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Meltdarok
Date: Apr 11, 2008 06:16

On Apr 11, 1:54 am, "Bassos" wrote:
> For something completely different :
> to me it is interesting that when god presented all the heirs to adam, david
> was supposedly stillborn, and adam gave of his own 1000 years 70 to david.

That you would type this is strange. The person who would have been my
older brother was stillborn, there was none to gift him with 70 years
though.

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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Bassos
Date: Apr 11, 2008 09:20

"Meltdarok" aol.com> wrote in message
news:841f80c2-7d63-4801-9d0f-89fe5abebd45@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 11, 1:54 am, "Bassos" wrote:
>
>> For something completely different :
>> to me it is interesting that when god presented all the heirs to adam,
>> david
>> was supposedly stillborn, and adam gave of his own 1000 years 70 to
>> david.
>
> That you would type this is strange. The person who would have been my
> older brother was stillborn, there was none to gift him with 70 years
> though.

It was sparked by the mentioning of david.
That part of the zohar just kinda touched me.
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Bassos
Date: Apr 11, 2008 14:00

"Bassos" wrote in message
news:47fc7950$0$14346$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Heyas,
>
> I've been away a bit, and will return to being away quite soon.
>
> In the meantime, i have been reading back some of my personal musings, and
> i kinda liked one.
>
> So feel free to tear apart these musings, cos at the moment i am to busy
> to > do enough research for this one.
>
> here goes :
> Musings
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four identical
>> worlds.
> They are just repetitions of what came before on a denser scale.
>
> This bothers me.
> Repetition seems like a sure fire way to end up in stagnation. ...
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Absorbed
Date: Apr 11, 2008 15:39

Bassos wrote:
> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
> bump

Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.

You said:
> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
> identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
> a denser scale.

How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical? If
they're identical, that implies that they're exactly the same in every
respect, including density.

You say one thing in your first musing, and then contradict yourself in
the very next sentence. In just two sentences you revealed that you're
still spouting the same old poorly-digested liquid mess.
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Erwin Hessle
Date: Apr 11, 2008 15:53

On Apr 11, 5:00 pm, "Bassos" wrote:
> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post, so
> bump

That's always been the problem with your "personal musings" - there
isn't any visible content.

Here's but one example out of many:

"For Atziluth we look at the actual properties of our solar system ...
In my reckoning, humanity, as a species, is in incarnate form
restricted to reaching the consciousness represented by chesed. So,
that makes planet earth Chesed."

See what I mean? This isn't "content" - it's merely random and
rambling gibberish, picking random thoughts out of your ass to
"justify" your random attributions. If I didn't know you better, I'd
find it hard to believe that you'd wasted so much time on this tripe
already.

Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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Re: musings about the TOL (work in progress)         


Author: Bassos
Date: Apr 11, 2008 22:05

"Absorbed" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bassos wrote:
>> Nobody has responded with anything relating to the content of the post,
>> so
>> bump
>
> Yes they did. Mika asked a cogent question which I'll repeat here.

Oh, mika, sorry, i don't read her posts.
> You said:
>> The four worlds are in most renderings in hermetic kabbalah four
>> identical worlds. They are just repetitions of what came before on
>> a denser scale.
>
> How can one world be denser than another world if they're identical?

Shape.
> If they're identical, that implies that they're exactly the same in every
> respect, including density.

Oh noes, the idiot police is here.
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