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Author: 104104 Date: May 30, 2008 17:19
On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> So we know that "Do what thou wilt" is not original to Liber Al
>> (Rabelais etc), but what else in Liber Al did Crowley pilfer? Well, I
>> was reading "Captain Corelli´s Mandolin" by Louis de Bernieres (a good
>> read!) when I came across this on page 63 of the paperback:
>
>> "Empedocles said that God is a circle whose centre is everywhere and
>> whose circumference is nowhere. If that is true, then I don´t need to
>> go to church. And I don´t need to believe the same things as you to
>> see that you have a purpose."
>
>> Liber Al II:3 "In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the
>> circumference, is nowhere found."
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>> Recently I´ve wondered if Crowley originally wrote Liber Al as some
>> kind of "in joke" and then later decided to take it a bit further to ...
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Author: 104104 Date: May 30, 2008 17:50
104 wrote:
> On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:>> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>> So we know that "Do what thou wilt" is not original to Liber Al
>>> (Rabelais etc), but what else in Liber Al did Crowley pilfer? Well, I
>>> was reading "Captain Corelli´s Mandolin" by Louis de Bernieres (a good
>>> read!) when I came across this on page 63 of the paperback:
>>
>>> "Empedocles said that God is a circle whose centre is everywhere and
>>> whose circumference is nowhere. If that is true, then I don´t need to
>>> go to church. And I don´t need to believe the same things as you to
>>> see that you have a purpose."
>>
>>> Liber Al II:3 "In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the
>>> circumference, is nowhere found."
>>
>>> Recently I´ve wondered if Crowley originally wrote Liber Al as some ...
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Author: TomTom Date: May 30, 2008 20:45
"104" none.com> wrote in message
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> Of course, Crowley must have seen how Christianity "succeeded" in becoming
> the dominant religion, so it probably seemed only natural that he use some
> of their methods, or attempt to.
Actually, the Christian religion became dominant in Europe, but it is
utterly failed to be dominant in the Middle East, India, or the Orient. So
the most you can say is that it was the religion of some politically
dominant groups in one small portion of the world for about 500 years or so.
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Author: mary cainmary cain Date: May 30, 2008 19:33
"104" none.com> wrote in message
news:zh10k.96053$UP6.73931@newsfe14.ams2...> 104 wrote:
>> On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:>>> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> So we know that "Do what thou wilt" is not original to Liber Al
>>>> (Rabelais etc), but what else in Liber Al did Crowley pilfer? Well,
>> I
>>>> was reading "Captain Corelli
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Author: 104104 Date: May 30, 2008 22:50
Tom wrote:
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> "104" none.com> wrote in message
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>> Of course, Crowley must have seen how Christianity "succeeded" in
>> becoming the dominant religion, so it probably seemed only natural
>> that he use some of their methods, or attempt to.
>
> Actually, the Christian religion became dominant in Europe, but it is
> utterly failed to be dominant in the Middle East, India, or the Orient.
> So the most you can say is that it was the religion of some politically
> dominant groups in one small portion of the world for about 500 years or
> so.
>
lol
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Author: 104104 Date: May 31, 2008 00:32
mary cain wrote:
> "104" none.com> wrote in message
> news:zh10k.96053$UP6.73931@newsfe14.ams2...>> 104 wrote:
>>> On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:>>>> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So we know that "Do what thou wilt" is not original to Liber Al
>>>>> (Rabelais etc), but what else in Liber Al did Crowley pilfer? Well,
>>> I
>>>>> was reading "Captain Corelli´s Mandolin" by Louis de Bernieres (a
>>> good
>>>>> read!) when I came across this on page 63 of the paperback:
>>>>
>>>>> "Empedocles said that God is a circle whose centre is everywhere and
>>>>> whose circumference is nowhere. If that is true, then I don´t need
>>> to
>>>>> go to church. And I don´t need to believe the same things as you to ...
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Author: mary cainmary cain Date: May 31, 2008 08:18
"104" none.com> wrote in message
news:Ka70k.149$yb3.103@newsfe18.ams2...> mary cain wrote:
>> "104" none.com> wrote in message
>> news:zh10k.96053$UP6.73931@newsfe14.ams2...>>> 104 wrote:
>> It seems to me, especially in the case of automatic writings that the
>> author could easily bring forth data from his subconscious. This, while
>> pilfered, would not seem so to the author.
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> This was Israel Regardie's opinion about Liber Al (especially chapter 3)
> if I remember correctly? But one would have to prove the existence of this
> so-called "subconscious" first.
And I'm not totally unfamiliar with Regardie's work so I could be a prime
example of subconscious masquerading as independent thought...lol
I think the case for a subconscious has been adequately made so, the real
question would be if Crowley was manifesting the subconscious at that
point...which we could argue to the end of time and not know the answer to.
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Author: 104104 Date: Jun 8, 2008 09:21
Executive Function wrote:
> On 31 May, 02:19, 104 none.com> wrote:>> On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:>>> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>>>> So we know that "Do what thou wilt" is not original to Liber Al
>>>> (Rabelais etc), but what else in Liber Al did Crowley pilfer? Well, I
>>>> was reading "Captain Corelli´s Mandolin" by Louis de Bernieres (a good
>>>> read!) when I came across this on page 63 of the paperback:
>>>
>>>> "Empedocles said that God is a circle whose centre is everywhere and
>>>> whose circumference is nowhere. If that is true, then I don´t need to
>>>> go to church. And I don´t need to believe the same things as you to
>>>> see that you have a purpose."
>>>
>>>> Liber Al II:3 "In the sphere I am everywhere the centre, as she, the
>>>> circumference, is nowhere found."
>>> ...
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Author: mary cainmary cain Date: Jun 9, 2008 09:10
"104" none.com> wrote in message
news:3wk2k.15981$RE7.1050@newsfe08.ams2...> mary cain wrote:
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>> I'm not at all familiar with the membership or politics of the OTO so I
>> can't answer that. I am curious as to what you mean about Thelemic
>> apologetics, if you care to elaborate?
>
> To describe plagiarism as you did there, would certainly be a form of
> apologetics if it was put forth by a Thelemite/Crowleyite.
Ok, that makes sense to me but, it seems to me that we are a collage of
everything we ever read, experienced, witnessed or sensed. We are all
comprised of all the contacts we've had (physical or otherwise...
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Author: mary cainmary cain Date: Jun 9, 2008 12:56
"Executive Function" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On 31 May, 09:32, 104 none.com> wrote:> mary cain wrote:
>> "104" none.com> wrote in message
>>news:zh10k.96053$UP6.73931@newsfe14.ams2...>>> 104 wrote:
>>>> On 6 Apr, 09:37, The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> wrote:>>>>> On 6 Apr, 04:10, 565 yahoo.com> wrote:
For some reason I'd got the impression he'd used Rose as a
medium, ...I must be mistaken.
No, you might be right. I'm not sure just what her role was but she was
present and it was she who told Crowley that the being(s) transmitting the
information were, "waiting for him." I also believe he refers to the
material in the book as "transcribed" which could lead to the conclusion you
have drawn but could be indicative of the cyphers imbedded in the text.
KC
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