basilikon wrote:
> Rosifer wrote:
>
>>basilikon wrote:
>>
>>>I just found this GoogleGroup, and I thought I would just join and take
>>>a look around a bit.
>>
>>There isn't much that happens around alt.tarot anymore, though the
>>archives have some good stuff. I crossposted this to alt.magick in case
>>anyone there takes an interest.
>>
>>
>>>My name is David, and I live in central Georgia (about 1ВЅ hours south
>>>of Atlanta). I've been studying the tarot and other esoteric subjects
>>>(primarily kabbalah) for several years now, and I'm also a deck
>>>designer. Additionally, I also collect playing card (and some tarot
>>>card) decks. I'm looking forward to interacting with folks on here,
>>>and sharing/exchanging points of view.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
http://www.basilikon.com/ltarot/
>>
>>Generally I liked your site, apart from a few glaring errors.
>>
>>It is also good to see a deck formed out of ideas, however they are
>>formed, rather than feelings.
>>
>>I find assigning Trumps to paths using a Lurian interpretation quite
>>interesting when compared to the Golden Dawn/Kircher correspondences.
>>There does seem to be a certain elegance about assigning 3 horizontals,
>>7 verticals and 12 others to the mother letters, double letters and
>>others. I haven't spent much time with these associations, so it was
>>interesting to read some of the rationale behind them.
>>
>>I do have some questions.
>>
>>What Lurian Tree did you use, I understand there are many different
>>versions?
>
>
> While I have seen many different versions of the Tree of Life, I know
> of only one Lurianic version. If you visit my site with Internet
> Explorer and mouse-click on the bold text "Etz haHayim" which can be
> found on several of the pages there, a popup window should appear which
> depicts the version of the Tree which I used, complete with planetary,
> astrological, and elemental associations.
>
>
>>When you say;
>>
>>"The use of a Tarot deck aligned with the associations as presumed by
>>followers of the Golden Dawn tradition could result in several errors
>>in any reading, and perhaps an entirely fallacious reading a fair part
>>of the time."
>>
>>Under what circumstances would someone using the GD system give an
>>error-free reading containing nothing misleading or deceptive?
>
>
> My statement was carefully phrased. That is to say that I was not
> inferring that someone using the GD system would or could 'give an
> error-free reading containing nothing misleading or deceptive'; rather,
> that the likelihood of misunderstandings made in a reading would be
> much greater when using a tarot conforming to the GD system.
of course a "reading" can be done using the tarot without reference to
christianity or cabbala. The major trumps being as universal as they
may be specific to any one tradition.
BTW i tried to access your site but could not get the links to the cards
or any other links to work.
--
JL
>
>
>>You seem to imply that readings given with your system would not be
>>prey to such errors. How have you tested this?
>
>
> On the other hand, neither was I inferring that such misreadings
> absolutely would not or could not be made using a tarot aligned with
> the Lurianic kabbalistic tradition, but I do believe that certain
> relationships between the Major Arcana 'planet cards' and their
> corresponding Hebrew letter associations could be significant to some
> readings.
>
>
>>When you say;
>>
>>"The advent of court cards probably came about later with the
>>permutation of the Tetragrammaton upon itself, yielding a set of 16
>>unique element-to-element combinations."
>>
>>It seems to imply, along with some of your other writing, that you
>>believe there to be some sort of Kabbalistic origin to the cards.
>>
>>Would that be correct?
>
>
> Actually, in some ways, yes, but in others, no. Historical facts
> concerning the Tarot state that it was originally created as a game
> deck in Europe (Italy or France), and was adapted for divinatory use
> later. However, I do believe that Kabbalah may have in some way
> influenced the composition of the early Tarot game decks (and of
> course, later divinatory decks). While court cards certainly existed
> in card games prior to the use of cards in divination, I believe their
> mystical significances were shaped and influenced by the presence of
> Kabbalah in Europe.
>
>
>>
>>Rosifer
>
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