On 29 Jul, 04:09, Joseph Littleshoes
isp.com> wrote:> Dark Xero wrote:
>> I know everyone has their own opinions, and that some view Goetic
>> Workings as evil, but I was wondering what peoples views were on
>> which was safer or got a better result?
>
>> There has been a long debate between myself and a few patrons of a
>> local occult shop, all of us have differing views, so I wanted to
>> post it here and see what kind of reaction it got.
>
>> (Please, for the sake of this conversation, no one get into the
>> whole "it's all in your head, they're just unused parts of your
>> brain". Â I understand this, but it's beside the point of the topic.)
>
>> So which do you think is safer and/or more effective, Evocation,
>> Invocation, or just not doing it in the first place? Â
>
> Well ... now that you have seen what you can evoke here from one of our
> resident hubris driven, misanthropic, know it all's here's a link to a
> text you might find of interest on the actual subject you ask about. Â As
> you note, and our resident know it all prefers to ignore, in favor of
> its pet fetish of telling you & every one else what a genetic mistake
> they are rather than answering your question about what these practices
> can achieve, which can be explained in various ways, such that  if you
> are not already familiar with it the entire text of Liber ABA Book 4, is
> worth even a casual perusal.
>
>
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/chap1.htm
>
> "...the magician identifies himself with the Deity invoked. To "invoke"
> is to "call in", just as to "evoke" is to "call forth". This is the
> essential difference between the two branches of Magick. In invocation,
> the macrocosm floods the consciousness. In evocation, the magician,
> having become the macrocosm, creates a microcosm. You "in"voke a God
> into the Circle. You "e"voke a Spirit into the Triangle.
Ever stepped into the triangle yourself? I tend to think it's
something that everyone does sooner or later, but I could be barking
up the wrong tree.
Maybe a quick show of hands would suffice to settle the question.
> In the first
> method identity with the God is attained by love and by surrender, by
> giving up or suppressing all irrelevant (and illusionary) parts of
> yourself. It is the weeding of a garden."
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