I have been working on a theory as to how magick and modern science
would work in cohesion, as in, it goes over 'magick' phenomenon with
scientifically cohesive explanations that are not in violation of the
currently accepted laws of physics. In other words it shows how magick
is possible without violating the laws of physics nor discrediting
claims of magick.

I dont want to get into the whole thing right now because its
incomplete but I do need some information. Im not really into the
magical community per se. It seems many of them base their theories
off of hope instead of wanting to see what actually works. But I read
a review about this place and it sounded like one of the few places
that is genuinely interested in magick that really does what so many
people claim.

Anyways enough of the rant. I am here first and foremost, wanting to
know if anyone has performed a form of physical manipulation of
reality through a form of magick. That is that you manipulated some
aspect of reality and it was a measurable change. I am asking because
I would like to analyze and try to reproduce the results so as to
further build backing for the general theory of magick.

Philip wrote:

We know this, it has been debated here, and there are people who will
make a mockery of you for suggesting it.

"Philip" gmail.com> wrote in message
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Everything rests on what you choose to label a "magick phenomenon". Any
allegedly induced effect can be considered magical if you don't know how it
was done. That means that some particular "magical" effect might have been
accomplished by entirely different means than another particular "magical"
effect. To try to attribute both effects to the same cause simply because
they are both mysterious might very well be futile.

The fundamental problem is that anything that seems to happen as the
result of a magical working, could just be a coincidence.
The problem with such results is that you frequently get what you
asked for, not what you really wanted.
It may all be a lot of superstitous unscientific rubbish, but having
tried it I'm not complaining.
If it works for you, then use it.
Just keep a record of what you did, there are many different
techniques for different purposes.
Attracting a partner needs a different technique to recovering
a stolen/lost cycle.

On Sep 1, 4:04 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:

Actually, they can know how its done, but they are unable to replicate
the skill involved in producing the act, like a work of art that's
especially appealing, or hitting 10 bullseyes in a row in darts.

From a hybrid noetic-somatic point of view my adaption of Gurdjieff's
48 exercises and barbarous mantra will work if you work it. Plus it's
free. Don't see how that's a bad thing.

It is a FREE system.

Like any system it is applicable only to those who apply it and
experiment to see if it works.

I am, and it is.

On 1 Sep, 06:33, Philip gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Philip.

I'm not sure that magick is necessarily one thing, rather a hotch-
potch of things.

On Sep 1, 11:00 am, Janine Starscream yahoo.com> wrote:

It doesn't matter if it works from a 'hybrid neotic-somatic point of
view'. What matters is that ordinary people regard it as
miraculous. If they do not, it is not magical.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Philip gmail.com> wrote:

"Philip" gmail.com>