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> "Tom"
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> "Joseph Littleshoes" isp.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Look. Here's the deal. Magick, as practiced by intelligent adults, is
>>>> a process by which we divest ourselves of illusions, not encourage and
>>>> foster more of them.
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>>> Especially if one is under the delusion that one has divested oneself of
>>> delusion.
>
>> Are you admitting that you're delusional, Joseph? Or are you suffering
>> from the delusion that you are not deluded?
>
> No, he is suggesting that if someone Else is arranged to the delusion that
> he has divested himself/herself of delusion, that such is, well,
> delusional.
If one believes one is deluded, then one admits one is deluded. If one does
not believe he is deluded, then, according to Joseph, this could only be
duie to the fact that he is deluded in believing he isn't deluded. So,
either Joseph admits he's deluded or he is, by his own criteria, deluded
into believing he isn;t deluded. So, no matter who tells you what, they
have to be deluded. You're deluded. Joe's deluded. I'm deluded.
Everybody. Always. WEhich means that you can believe anyn stupid shit you
want and nobody can say boo about it, which is fine with Joseph, since so
many people keep telling him he's deluded. Except that there are indeed
ways to tell whether or not you're deluded, but Joe doesn't know what they
are, which is why he's sure everybody must be deluded. Do *you* know what
those ways are?
> He is not admitting that he is delusional.
Is he claiming he's not? If he claims he's not, then he fits his own
generalization that people who say they're not deluded are deluding
themselves into thinking he's not, which means he's admitting he's
delusional. If, on the other hand, he does not claim he isn't delusional,
then he is admitting that he is. Refusing to answer at all is admitting
that the whole rationalization is nothing more than a silly game which he
doesn't want to play himself. It's just some bullshit he wants to lay on
others. See?
>>>> But you seem fonder of protecting your preconceptions than you do of
>>>> discovering what's real.
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> I would intent to that my preconceptions of what is real are probably dead
> on.
You can't "intent to" anything. That's the wrong word entirely. It's not
even a verb. Try again, this time using enough of the common conventions of
the language to be intelligible.
>>> Not that you don't make it easy, but rather, what is "real"?
>
>> I wouldn't expect you to know. You're too distracted by what you hope.
>> We have discussed this before and, no matter how many times I tell you,
>> or other tell you, you still just don't get it. You're still hoping for
>> the perfect master whose dog you can become, who will show you that
>> reality is just as you always dreamed it would be. It's only when you
>> give up this hope that you will actually learn something about reality.
>
> You could answer the question.
Read the paragraph above. I have done so repeatedly, but Joseph has not
been able to comprehend the answer. This is because he's too distracted by
hope.
>> There is no end to the tricks you may play on yourself. However, there
>> is a way to destroy every delusion. You stop believing in it. However,
>> it's pretty scary, not to mention undignified, to admit that you used to
>> believe something that turned out not to be true. So you won't. No
>> matter how foolish your beliefs make you look, you're sure you'd only
>> look more foolish if you abandoned them after all this.
>
> Its prolly only scary and humiliating to have to admit if the individuals
> you have to admit it to are arrogant and condescentive? :P
No, it would be scary and humiliating no matter who he had to admit it to.
Even himself. That's why, despite having the method for dispelling
delusions right in front of him all the time, he'll never use it. I'll tell
you both once again. A delusion is dispelled when you stop believing it.
> I would suggest that he finds you trollish.
Very well. I find him to be a sycophantic imbecile who's been mad at me for
years because I called a person he idolized a huckster.
