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Author: ChadeChade Date: Nov 22, 2007 10:12
On 18 Nov, 00:23, Halla drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:> On 16 Oct 2007 09:06:39 -0700, Chade blethered:
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>>In article 4ax.com>, Halla says...>
>>> But what is my 'higher self'? How do I know it if I bump into
>>>it?
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> Finally getting round to reading these, my apologies for the >tardiness
> of the response. Hope you've not all given up and left. :-/
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>>There's been some interesting discussions in alt.magick about the 'higher self'.
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> Interesting, although I'm sort of grasping at the concept. It gives me
> the idea that, since the true nature is clothed in self-awareness (er,
> that's how it reads to me, I'll happily be corrected if I've picked it ...
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Author: TomTom Date: Nov 22, 2007 11:04
> On 18 Nov, 00:23, Halla drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:>>>There's been some interesting discussions in alt.magick about the
>>>'higher self'.
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>> Interesting, although I'm sort of grasping at the concept. It gives me
>> the idea that, since the true nature is clothed in self-awareness (er,
>> that's how it reads to me, I'll happily be corrected if I've picked it
>> up wrong), one may be able to develop another seperate awareness for a
>> purpose if one is aware of the seperation and interconnectedness of
>> the two things (Khabs and Khu? Not terms I had heard before).
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> Not so much develop as get in touch with, as I understand...
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 22, 2007 13:31
On Nov 22, 2:04 pm, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>> On 18 Nov, 00:23, Halla drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:>>>>There's been some interesting discussions in alt.magick about the
>>>>'higher self'.
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>>> Interesting, although I'm sort of grasping at the concept. It gives me
>>> the idea that, since the true nature is clothed in self-awareness (er,
>>> that's how it reads to me, I'll happily be corrected if I've picked it
>>> up wrong), one may be able to develop another seperate awareness for a
>>> purpose if one is aware of the seperation and interconnectedness of
>>> the two things (Khabs and Khu? Not terms I had heard before).
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>> Not so much develop as get in touch with, as I understand it.
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Author: DiconDicon Date: Nov 22, 2007 13:54
"Tom" comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gNqdnY0hc608T9janZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@comcast.com...>> On 18 Nov, 00:23, Halla drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:>>>>There's been some interesting discussions in alt.magick about the
>>>>'higher self'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting, although I'm sort of grasping at the concept. It gives me
>>> the idea that, since the true nature is clothed in self-awareness (er,
>>> that's how it reads to me, I'll happily be corrected if I've picked it
>>> up wrong), one may be able to develop another seperate awareness for a
>>> purpose if one is aware of the seperation and interconnectedness of
>>> the two things (Khabs and Khu? Not terms I had heard before).
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>> Not so much develop as get in touch with, as I understand it.
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 22, 2007 15:04
On Nov 22, 1:12 pm, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:> On 18 Nov, 00:23, Halla drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
Responding to the original poster...
>> Interesting, although I'm sort of grasping at the concept. It gives me
>> the idea that, since the true nature is clothed in self-awareness (er,
>> that's how it reads to me, I'll happily be corrected if I've picked it
>> up wrong), one may be able to develop another seperate awareness for a
>> purpose if one is aware of the seperation and interconnectedness of
>> the two things
"the true nature is clothed in self-awareness" is a reasonably
summary. If we were to impute some sort of "cosmic plan" to the
universe, we might say that the way this self-awareness *should*
function is to correctly interpret the self, to correctly interpret
the environment, and to correctly determine the optimal course of the
former through the latter.
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 22, 2007 15:13
On Nov 22, 6:04 pm, Erwin Hessle erwinhessle.com> wrote:> The problem, of course, is that the brain is not too great at
> distinguishing between "useful" patterns, and counterproductive ones.
> The same faculty that makes you run from rustling bushes might, for
> instance, lead to some innocent comment on action on the part of
> another leading you to conclude that they don't like you, or that
> you're no good at your job, or that everybody hates you, etc. etc.
> etc., if you've managed to get your mind to a position where it has a
> tendency to interpret things in that way.
I should expand on this by pointing out that the reason "the brain is
not too great at distinguishing between 'useful' patterns, and
counterproductive ones" is because the mind has evolved as a tool for...
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 23, 2007 06:20
On Nov 23, 1:28 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>> On Nov 22, 2:04 pm, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>
>>> I think it's a good idea to distinguish between "awareness" and
>>> "narration".
>>> What is often referred to as "self-awareness" is the ability to conceive
>>> of
>>> oneself as a character in a story and to narrate the events which happen
>>> to
>>> this character. Awareness, on the other hand, is our response to our
>>> environment. It is entirely composed of immediate feelings, not thoughts
>>> or
>>> even integrated perceptions. Awareness does not require narration
>>> because ...
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Author: Erwin HessleErwin Hessle Date: Nov 23, 2007 06:30
On Nov 23, 1:44 am, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>> This is, in fact, the way the mind is "supposed" to work. The mind
>> cannot possibly usefully process all the sensory information at every
>> given moment, so it has to form patterns of expectation, which helps
>> cut down on the processing.
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> Not to mention the identification of patterns that allow for better and
> better predictions of future events.
That's certainly true, but the simple act of identifying of patterns
would not by itself require that momentary perception be coloured by
them also.
Related to this point, but not to the rest of the post, have you ever
read "Against the Gods" by Peter Bernstein? If not, I suggest you do;
I think you'd like it.
Agree with the rest of your comments.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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Author: ChadeChade Date: Nov 23, 2007 09:53
On 22 Nov, 19:04, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:> "Chade" newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>> Not so much develop as get in touch with, as I understand it.
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> I think it's a good idea to distinguish between "awareness" and "narration".
> What is often referred to as "self-awareness" is the ability to conceive of
> oneself as a character in a story and to narrate the events which happen to
> this character. Awareness, on the other hand, is our response to our
> environment. It is entirely composed of immediate feelings, not thoughts or
> even integrated perceptions. Awareness does not require narration because
> awareness does not insist upon explanations for what's happening.
> Explanations are necessary to narration because that's what makes the story
> tie together.
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> When I'm talking about a "higher self", I'm talking about awareness without
> narration. It's a direct apprehension (but not necessarily comprehension)
> of reality. I call it "higher" only by convention. In fact, its more basic
> and hence might be more accurately described as lower. ...
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Author: TomTom Date: Nov 23, 2007 09:59
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> You're using the word "narration" is a manner foreign to me, then. I
> wouldn't describe a painting as a "narration", for instance.
Narration is the telling of a tale. That tale may be told in words or in
any other combination of sensory representations, including painting,
drawing, dancing, or any other medium in which feelings can be communicated.
I could call this "representation" but it loses the creative sense in which
we fit our sensory impressions together to form a story. A story is a
representation of events using a specific structure...
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