> Dear Mr. Zink,
>
> This morning you published another 10 messages filled
> with ad hominum attacks on our order and its Chief Adept
> as well as silly misrepresentations.
>
> Is this a diversionary tactic? I invite you instead to enter into
> an open and constructive dialogue with me here or on your
> forum about the contents of the below letter published
> by the co-founder of your order and previous praemonstratrix,
> Sonya Neiman Zink. I promise that I will personally approve
> your posts and ask that you do the same.
>
> Here, for the world to see, is a putative example of your defamatory
> ad hominum abuses against the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn A+O
> taken directly from EOGD’s public forum:
>
> “Re: [Golden-Dawn-Forum-World-Wide] Demonic Workshops? He He,,,He
>
> hmmm- people love dirty laundry -don't they
> nice job ! trying to hook into the current of our present work with
> unsuspecting
> readers !
> why is it that invoking demonic forces gets so much hype anyway-
> it's an obviously easy thing to do. just look at the posts !
> seems to me that strategy would back fire and bring more curious
> people to the
> events?
> i'm proud of our events - i attended one myself -" tastiest chocalote
> i ever
> ate" -end quote
>
> "pleased to meet you,,,wont ya guess my name" !
> ahh- that was bad -sorry !
> we need to find a way to move forward,,,to end attacks againt all
> other golden
> dawn
> orders. the stories of today will be rembered tomarrow - ect
> the respect you give to another order is the same respect you hold for
> your own.
> debating is good - revealing truths -good, live and let live - good
> by what ever means you wana be here/makes no difference to us -it's
> all good !
> just remeber this -when you come to anothers homeland (this is my
> home)
> you should come in peace, so that you are welcomed *smile* you take
> back with
> all our entiteis,,,,just kidding - we have all good ones, and we are
> glad that
> you cared enough to join us,,,thank you !
>
> Subject: Demonic Workshops?
> To: Golden-Dawn-Forum-World-W...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:43 AM
>
> --- In Hermetic-Order- of-the-Golden- Dawn@yahoogroups .com,
>
> "poimandres57" wrote:

>>> Now that Robert Zink's repackaged Reiki (Ruach Healing)
>>> "Angels" seminars flopped in San Francisco, Zink has turned
>>> the trolls on his EOGD forum back to attacking the HOGD/AO
>>> with misreprentation piled on misrepresentation

>

>>Actually, the workshop was in London this weekend.
>>I just spoke with one of my best friends in London
>>who attended the workshop. If you mean by a flop
>>that noone was there, you are right. Apparently,
>>the only people there were a few EOGD members.

>
> It should just be noted here. Whether this person is David Griffin or
> Jorge
> Hevia posing, or someone real, it is very clear that this person did
> not go
> to any workshop of Robert's and does not have some "friend" who went
> either.
>

>>The real problem, however, is the nature of the energies
>>that Robert Zink works with. My friend is an experienced
>>magician and he tells me that Zink's "angelic" energies
>>felt more like the energies of Goetic demons.

>
> This is a completely made up story. You can't invoke a demon by
> invoking an
> Angelic or Archangelic Name. It's not possible. Magic doesn't work
> that
> way. And, there were plenty of experienced magicians at all those
> workshops
> that encountered only heavenly currents. You obviously did not go to
> the
> workshop and are simply making up a false testimonial to try and
> prevent
> people from going and maybe learning something. The only talk you want
> people to go to is one you are giving, Griffin. To you, anyone not on
> their
> knees praising you daily *must* be working with Goetic demons.
>

>>This was also my experience at the "Ruach Healing"
>>workshop I attended last year. The energies were
>>deeply disturbing. I have parcticed Reiki for many
>>years and never felt anything even remotely
>>demonic like this.

>
> You have neither practiced Reiki nor Ruach Healing. If you had
> practiced
> either, you could tell just by a basic description of the other that
> they
> are not even remotely the same. There is no use of Qabalah or Angelic
> Forces in Reiki. Likewise, the use of the hands in Ruach Healing as a
> dynamic interaction with the Astral Body is totally different both in
> look
> and mindset than the fixed hand placement methods of Reiki. They
> aren't
> even based on the same underlying theories. Ruach Healing is a mixture
> of
> Astral and Invocational magics, Reiki is a method of natural body
> energy
> stimulation.
>

>>Does anyone know if Robert Zink regularly works
>>with Goetic demons? This is sure what it feels like.
>>So my advice about Robert Zink's workshops like
>>the one in San Francisco next weekend, is either
>>stay away, or take several showers visualizing white
>>light and do a LOT of banishing after you leave!

>
> If nothing before this paragraph could convince me this was a forced
> post,
> it is definitely shown here by an obvious attempt at adverse
> advertising. I
> think most people in the Golden Dawn community are aware of your
> methods
> Griffin, but in case they weren't, you just tipped your hand. Those
> workshops that Robert has done are phenomenal and are helping a lot of
> people learn how to heal the sick. What are you doing to help the
> metaphysical community? Suing people? Grabbing up trademark rights for
> yourself? Bearing false witness?
>
> Instead of trying to get ahead by slamming the good work others are
> doing,
> why don't you do some of your own?”
>
> We are doing our own good works by refuting your outrageous claims
> against the HOGD A+O to wit:
>
> Robert Zink and EOGD/HOMSI Black Magical Attack Against Other Orders
>
> I have also have heard rumors of Robert Zink
> assigning Neophytes and other Outer Order
> members to systematically attack our order
> with black magic.
>
> Can you perhaps confirm this? Did Robert
> Zink use black magic against our order or other
> orders to your knowledge? Did he ask other
> order members to do this on his behalf as well?
>
> Re: Robert Zink and Demons
>
> Hi..
>
> I don't really enjoy these kinds of discussions either but this
> nonsense from the false consensus "G.D. community" has been going on
> for far too long and I think the record needs to be kept straight.
>
> Wasn't it Sonya Neiman Zink who was writing a revealing book about the
> Eternal
> Circle of Light, Hermetic Order of the Morning Star, Esoteric Order of
> the
> Golden Dawn, The Hermetic Order of the Morning Star, Inc. d/b/a The
> Esoteric
> Order of the Golden Dawn (or whatever their name currently is) a
> couple of years
> ago? If I remember correctly, she was threatened with a lawsuit for
> it from Mr. Zink? Wasn't the gentleman who posted recently about his
> experiences
> in HOMSI/EOGD up to leaving in 1997 going to publish it?
>
> Its ironic that Mr. Zink in a skirt as "aimaelohim" keeps throwing
> around accusations over there about "bullying with lawsuits" when
> that's the
> only lawsuit I can think of that's been threatened recently, and by
> Robbert
> Zink.
>
> I still can't get over how bizarre it is that Mr. Z just decided one
> day to make himself a chief adept using a black brick regardie book
> and by summoning demons through a ouija board. It's strange that
> someone could be considered legitimate when they were never initiated
> by anyone from the real Golden Dawn or even remotely connected to it.
> No wonder
> he's so invested in receiving peer recognition. The only
> thing that seems to give him any air of legitimacy for someone who
> has never written a single occult book at all appears to be in his
> being a
> sycophant to his "G.D." peers. In my opinion this is truly pathetic.
>
> On another note regarding this, if they're sick of hearing this stuff
> over here than they should just stop initiating attacks against us
> and then act as though they are the self-righteous victims. I don't
> hate anyone, but personally I don't believe the HOGD/A+O should
> have to just roll over and play dumb in the face of their incessant
> and inane ad hominem attacks and insults. I'd much rather they just
> ignored us
> and them.But as long as they keep up the attacks (which will probably
> be an
> eternity) they can expect responses from people like me.
>
> -HOGD Moderator
>
> Jorge Hevia III
> G.H. Frater D.e.D.I.
> Praemonstrator Ordinis, Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Ordo
> Primaria Nostra, Pater et Pontifex, Ordo Primaria, Second Adept, Ordo
> Roseae Rubeae et Aureae Crucis, and Second Adept, Rosicrucian Order
> of the Alpha + Omega
>
> I personally approve this post for distribution on alt.magick and
> elsewhere in the net by dispensation of the Imperator General, G.H.
> Frater L.E.S. of the HOGD A+O