Dear Mr. Zink,

This morning you published another 10 messages filled
with ad hominum attacks on our order and its Chief Adept
as well as silly misrepresentations.

Is this a diversionary tactic? I invite you instead to enter into
an open and constructive dialogue with me here or on your
forum about the contents of the below letter published
by the co-founder of your order and previous praemonstratrix,
Sonya Neiman Zink. I promise that I will personally approve
your posts and ask that you do the same.

Here, for the world to see, is a putative example of your defamatory
ad hominum abuses against the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn A+O
taken directly from EOGD’s public forum:

“Re: [Golden-Dawn-Forum-World-Wide] Demonic Workshops? He He,,,He

hmmm- people love dirty laundry -don't they
nice job ! trying to hook into the current of our present work with
unsuspecting
readers !
why is it that invoking demonic forces gets so much hype anyway-
it's an obviously easy thing to do. just look at the posts !
seems to me that strategy would back fire and bring more curious
people to the
events?
i'm proud of our events - i attended one myself -" tastiest chocalote
i ever
ate" -end quote

"pleased to meet you,,,wont ya guess my name" !
ahh- that was bad -sorry !
we need to find a way to move forward,,,to end attacks againt all
other golden
dawn
orders. the stories of today will be rembered tomarrow - ect
the respect you give to another order is the same respect you hold for
your own.
debating is good - revealing truths -good, live and let live - good
by what ever means you wana be here/makes no difference to us -it's
all good !
just remeber this -when you come to anothers homeland (this is my
home)
you should come in peace, so that you are welcomed *smile* you take
back with
all our entiteis,,,,just kidding - we have all good ones, and we are
glad that
you cared enough to join us,,,thank you !

Subject: Demonic Workshops?
To: Golden-Dawn-Forum-World-Wide@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 1:43 AM

--- In Hermetic-Order- of-the-Golden- Dawn@yahoogroups .com,

"poimandres57" wrote:

It should just be noted here. Whether this person is David Griffin or
Jorge
Hevia posing, or someone real, it is very clear that this person did
not go
to any workshop of Robert's and does not have some "friend" who went
either.

This is a completely made up story. You can't invoke a demon by
invoking an
Angelic or Archangelic Name. It's not possible. Magic doesn't work
that
way. And, there were plenty of experienced magicians at all those
workshops
that encountered only heavenly currents. You obviously did not go to
the
workshop and are simply making up a false testimonial to try and
prevent
people from going and maybe learning something. The only talk you want
people to go to is one you are giving, Griffin. To you, anyone not on
their
knees praising you daily *must* be working with Goetic demons.

You have neither practiced Reiki nor Ruach Healing. If you had
practiced
either, you could tell just by a basic description of the other that
they
are not even remotely the same. There is no use of Qabalah or Angelic
Forces in Reiki. Likewise, the use of the hands in Ruach Healing as a
dynamic interaction with the Astral Body is totally different both in
look
and mindset than the fixed hand placement methods of Reiki. They
aren't
even based on the same underlying theories. Ruach Healing is a mixture
of
Astral and Invocational magics, Reiki is a method of natural body
energy
stimulation.

If nothing before this paragraph could convince me this was a forced
post,
it is definitely shown here by an obvious attempt at adverse
advertising. I
think most people in the Golden Dawn community are aware of your
methods
Griffin, but in case they weren't, you just tipped your hand. Those
workshops that Robert has done are phenomenal and are helping a lot of
people learn how to heal the sick. What are you doing to help the
metaphysical community? Suing people? Grabbing up trademark rights for
yourself? Bearing false witness?

Instead of trying to get ahead by slamming the good work others are
doing,
why don't you do some of your own?”

We are doing our own good works by refuting your outrageous claims
against the HOGD A+O to wit:

Robert Zink and EOGD/HOMSI Black Magical Attack Against Other Orders

I have also have heard rumors of Robert Zink
assigning Neophytes and other Outer Order
members to systematically attack our order
with black magic.

Can you perhaps confirm this? Did Robert
Zink use black magic against our order or other
orders to your knowledge? Did he ask other
order members to do this on his behalf as well?

Re: Robert Zink and Demons

Hi..

I don't really enjoy these kinds of discussions either but this
nonsense from the false consensus "G.D. community" has been going on
for far too long and I think the record needs to be kept straight.

Wasn't it Sonya Neiman Zink who was writing a revealing book about the
Eternal
Circle of Light, Hermetic Order of the Morning Star, Esoteric Order of
the
Golden Dawn, The Hermetic Order of the Morning Star, Inc. d/b/a The
Esoteric
Order of the Golden Dawn (or whatever their name currently is) a
couple of years
ago? If I remember correctly, she was threatened with a lawsuit for
it from Mr. Zink? Wasn't the gentleman who posted recently about his
experiences
in HOMSI/EOGD up to leaving in 1997 going to publish it?

Its ironic that Mr. Zink in a skirt as "aimaelohim" keeps throwing
around accusations over there about "bullying with lawsuits" when
that's the
only lawsuit I can think of that's been threatened recently, and by
Robbert
Zink.

I still can't get over how bizarre it is that Mr. Z just decided one
day to make himself a chief adept using a black brick regardie book
and by summoning demons through a ouija board. It's strange that
someone could be considered legitimate when they were never initiated
by anyone from the real Golden Dawn or even remotely connected to it.
No wonder
he's so invested in receiving peer recognition. The only
thing that seems to give him any air of legitimacy for someone who
has never written a single occult book at all appears to be in his
being a
sycophant to his "G.D." peers. In my opinion this is truly pathetic.

On another note regarding this, if they're sick of hearing this stuff
over here than they should just stop initiating attacks against us
and then act as though they are the self-righteous victims. I don't
hate anyone, but personally I don't believe the HOGD/A+O should
have to just roll over and play dumb in the face of their incessant
and inane ad hominem attacks and insults. I'd much rather they just
ignored us
and them.But as long as they keep up the attacks (which will probably
be an
eternity) they can expect responses from people like me.

-HOGD Moderator

Jorge Hevia III
G.H. Frater D.e.D.I.
Praemonstrator Ordinis, Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Ordo
Primaria Nostra, Pater et Pontifex, Ordo Primaria, Second Adept, Ordo
Roseae Rubeae et Aureae Crucis, and Second Adept, Rosicrucian Order
of the Alpha + Omega

I personally approve this post for distribution on alt.magick and
elsewhere in the net by dispensation of the Imperator General, G.H.
Frater L.E.S. of the HOGD A+O