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Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: HG
Date: Sep 8, 2008 16:02

Executive Function hotmail.com> writes:
> On 8 Sep, 23:38, HG wrote:
>> Executive Function hotmail.com> writes:
>>> On 2 Sep, 18:53, mika gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 2, 3:09 am, Executive Function  wrote:
>>
>>>>>   I didn't like the way you
>>>>> automatically assumed I must have misinterpreted the threat though (I
>>>>> didn't).  You could have asked for clarification about that first.
>>
>>>> Even if you didn't misinterpret the threat, it is irrelevant.  You
>>>> have two choices:  live your own life as you choose according to your
>>>> own nature, or live a life based on other peoples' desires and
>>>> expectations.
>>
>>>> Every time you are provided with a suggested course of action to deal
>>>> with your shit, you come up with some excuse why you can't take that
>>>> action.  This claim that people are out to get you, whether accurate
>>>> or fantasy, is just another attempt to avoid facing and dealing with
>>>> the actual practical work you need to do (that is, you would need to
>>>> do if you actually wanted to address the problems you have been asking
>>>> for advice about here).
>>
>>> If we would/were to compare ourselves as akin to musicians when we
>>> work together, then I would be the drummer to your violin Mika.  I can
>>> look after the beat but outside of the gig I need a bit of help.  It's
>>> a trade off.
>>
>>> Yesterday I was in a hotel, in complete meltdown, and asked my ex to
>>> take me to the nearest psychiatric place because looking at myself
>>> from the third person I knew that a fuse or two was not working
>>> upstairs, and willing yourself to die for a few hours whilst propped
>>> up against the corner in fetal position was a definate no no.
>>
>>> If I could simply do what I want without overload or meltdown then I
>>> would have much more options practically - but as I have to work with
>>> what I've got (including brain damage from birth because our genetics
>>> don't react kindly to drugs and birth trauma) then no matter how
>>> intellegent I seem to be ordinarily then I have to give over my
>>> independance and decision making sometimes.  And this is very scarey -
>>> and all I want in such times is to feel safe, because when I am like
>>> this there is so much going on up top that I am very
>>> ssssssslllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
>>
>>> To be a practical aspie - I have to take this shit into account.  If
>>> people would give me advice while taking this into account like I have
>>> to - I might get much better advice i think.
>>
>>> I've met a lot of aspies that stay with thier parents and never move
>>> out of thier own personal comfort zone wey beyond the norm, and others
>>> who just put up with the overload and the meltdowns and try and 'go
>>> for it', whatever 'it' is.  I really would like some good advice from
>>> this forum, and occaisionally I've got it.  You, Tom, Erwin, and
>>> (*very* appropriately at the time, (he knew it, and you didn't))
>>> Archangel, have all helped me at one time or another, and I truely
>>> appreciate that as the years come and go.
>>
>>> My relationships with people, whether online or off are very important
>>> to me, whether I show that or not, and more often I do not.  Sometimes
>>> I have all the emotional intelligent response of a teaspoon
>>> unfortunately.
>>
>> You know, E.F., I have an idea.  Let's have a fucked-upness competition.
>>
>> You tell your sob story, then I'll tell mine, trying to out-misery yours.
>>
>> Then you'll tell more horrible things about how your life sucks, again
>> attemting to take the lead in misery and fucked-upness.
>>
>> Eventually, one of us will concede and the other is declared winner.
>>
>> But you know what?  One funny thing:
>>
>> No matter who wins - how much has that wallowing in misery and self-pity
>> helped either of us to live a better life from now on?
>>
>> Zero.
>> Zilch.
>> Zip.
>> Nada.
>>
>> And let's repeat what Mika said: "Every time you are provided with a
>> suggested course of action to deal with your shit, you come up with some
>> excuse why you can't take that action."
>>
>> And look!  In the post I'm replying to, you're *doing just that*.
>>
>>                 HG- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Acknowledged HG. And I despise myself when I'm fucked about and I try
> and be brave. I get angry with myself about 2 seconds after I have
> went into 'poor me' mode, and then - I'm still dealing with meltdown.
> And I'm NOT rejecting advice HG - I'm just saying - it needs to be
> framed within longer time zone with a few different priorities to
> work, because I have to be working for *it* to work. Thats all!

I don't think you're that different from me, or any other person, in that
respect.

Aspie or not aspie, we are struggling with our most difficult problems
because... (drum roll) ...if they weren't difficult, we'd have solved them
*years* ago.

It's a bit like natural selection. We suffer from personal problems that are
difficult to solve and require a lot of work, because they're the only
problems that still have survived in the battle with our problem solving
capabilities.
> It isn;t a case of mimicking you to get it right. It's a case of -
> what is right for for you is cool, but doesn't work for me, and that's
> why I need some folks to advise me who know this because the world is
> not an aspie world.

Neither is it my world. Aspie or not aspie.

HG
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