> On 21 Aug, 23:25, "Bassos" wrote:
>> Btw, wtf are you people doing writing in html ? (yes, Erwin, that goes
>> for
>> you too, you cutypie badboy you)
>>
>> "Executive Function"
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>>
>> news:b4c11b86-278c-41d2-bede-b3c0e4129e7e@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 18 Aug, 21:41, "Bassos" wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> "Executive Function"
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>>
>>>> "Chade"
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>>
>>>>> On 9 Aug, 20:18, "Tom"
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>>
>>>>>>> Does the growth toward enlightenment take place on or off
>>>>>>> cushion?
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> suspect that if all someone did was meditate they'd make little
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> progress.
>>
>>>>>> I think this is incorrect. The point of meditation is to be
>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>> aware of yourself and your surroundings. Being immediately aware
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> yourself and your surroundings all the time will bring about a
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> deal
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> progress.
>>
>>>>> Yes. I should have said if all someone did was a scheduled sitting
>>>>> meditation exercise they'd make little or no progress. My apologies
>>>>> for poor wording.
>>
>>>> Doing a scheduled meditation exercise is actually the key to
>>>> enlightenment.
>>>> It is the incorporation into daily life (purely a habit thingy) that
>>>> is
>>>> the
>>>> problem.
>>
>>>> HABIT !!
>>>> Learn it, use it, it is all powerfull.
>>>> If you are really cool, you destroy habit, but if you want something,
>>>> you
>>>> create a habit that leads to your goal.
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>>> "
>>> Bollocks. As someone who has been through OCD, there is nothing 'all
>>> powerful' about habit, and nothing 'really cool' about destroying
>>> habits either. If you don't habitually brush your teeth then you
>>> probably get tooth decay. Of course, you might get tooth decay
>>> anyway, even with flossing and using a good mouthwash.
>>
>>> Fixed goals blind people to opportunities and become crutches and
>>> excuses for unrealistic habits. Why just meditate sitting on a
>>> cushion? Why not meditate while walking? While on a journey? While
>>> eating your dinner?
>>> "
>>
>>> As someone having gone through (!?) OCD, habit as an insidious drug
>>> should
>>> be obvious to you.
>>> The destroying of the habit is your cure.
>>> About brushing the teeth; Yup, a fine example of how creating a habit
>>> to
>>> get
>>> a result works.
>>
>>> Fixed goals arise from habits.
>>> Destroying habit, actually can lead to your nice example of it being
>>> quite
>>> possible to meditate while active.
>>> You live in the now, instead of in the past or the future.- Hide quoted
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>>
>> You did not go into why OCD would be a perfect example to you how HABIT
>> is
>> deadly.
>> But you do know why.
>> The compulsion relieves tension.
>> That is why i brought it up.
>> The whole living in the now business is just a bonus.
>> Thanks for how you showed that you have actually *not* worked through
>> your
>> OCD, and how it still is a very sore issue with you.
>>
>> Now go do something about it.
>> (cognitive behavioural therapy is best, plix no drugs, unless in a really
>> bad shape, drugs are usually only temporarily effective, meaning, once
>> you
>> stop using them, the effect stops too, and your brain chemistry is messed
>> up
>> to boot)
>>
>> Start with destroying HABIT.
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> Discuss your new experiences with friends (no therapists if your friends
>> can
>> stand your whining, which in a statistical sense, they are not likely to)
>>
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>
> Stimming? lol. Fine. Yes I do stim, but it's a choice, as much as a
> choice that cats have.
Read up on current research.
> Thank you for your sarcastic attempt at compassion, however - OCD is a
> biochemical imbalance with me that I have corrected and not a
> psychological problem at it's root.
There is no clear distinction between biochemical and psychological.
Stronger even, there is no clear distinction between experience and the
(vividly imagined) memory of experience.
So we come full circle and it is back to :"destroy habit"
It is easy.
Take a shower before morning coffee, coffee first then shower, not showering
or coffeeing at all, possibilities are endless.
(just make sure to brush your teeth every night, and go to the toilet before
going to sleep)
And make sure to also change the way you think about things.
It is the whole :"Die daily" thingy.
