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Re: Enlightenment - Instantaneous vs. Path         

Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: Executive Function
Date: Aug 20, 2008 16:35

On 21 Aug, 00:10, Erwin Hessle erwinhessle.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 3:09 pm, Executive Function
>
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>> If I were constantly to live in the
>> now then I would have developed absolutely no ability to communicate
>> nor make practical improvements to my life.  I like my freedom too
>> much to constantly *just* live in the now.  There's a place in the now
>> for consideration of narrower and more limited thoughts, such as
>> planning for the future, and considering what can be learned from the
>> past.
>
> You are by no means unique in this respect, but probably the biggest
> problem facing any student of this subject is a woeful failure to
> understand the simplest elements of it, along with a corresponding
> complete conviction that they do, confidently trotting out trite and
> meaningless platitudes, which leads to stifling and blind restrictions
> such as the one gripping you in the above paragraph.
>
> When you "plan for the future", when you "consider what can be learned
> from the past", when you "make practical improvements to [your] life",
> all these things are happening in the now. It is perfectly possible to
> do all these things while "living in the now". One can "live in the
> now" just as easily by paying attention to what is happening inside
> your head, right now, as one can by paying attention to what is
> happening outside your head, right now, and to suggest otherwise
> demonstrates that you don't understand what "living in the now" means,
> although as I said you're in good company on that point, including the
> individual you're responding to.
>
> The important element is to pay attention to something real. The
> pictures that your thoughts generate are not "real" in the sense that
> they are representations of the world, not the world themselves, but
> the thoughts themselves are real, and the process of having thoughts
> is itself real. When you think, there is a real thought, whether or
> not you believe there to be something real that is having that thought
> or whether that thought is existing by itself. To imagine that one can
> only "live in the now" whilst in some mystical non-thinking trance is
> just that, an imagination, and a belief in it - in other words, a
> failure to pay attention to what is real, and to instead pay attention
> to what is unreal - will make it all but impossible for you to achieve
> success in this subject.
>
> You don't need to banish thoughts altogether - you only need to cease
> believing in the reality of the world they create. "Living in the now"
> is perfectly compatible with paying attention to a real thought about
> the future, and it's perfectly compatible with acting on that thought.
> It's only when you start mistaking the thought world - the imaginary
> world - for the real world that you run into problems, because then
> you're not paying attention to reality. It's initially a lot easier to
> pay attention to reality while in a non-thinking state than it is
> while in a thinking state, but that's only a question of practice.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3

I appreciate your comments and intent to reply at a more sensible
hour.

I only wish to say right now that living in the now exercises
completely different areas of the brain than projection and memory
work. The two processes are compliamentary and not exclusive at any
one time.
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