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Author: TomTom Date: Jul 19, 2008 15:23
"Lid Zuba" hotwankmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> im pissed at all the bad shit in the world, but do some people like all
> the sadness and suffering?
The whole point of sadness and suffering is not to like them when applied to
oneself. However, there are lots of people who feel that it's a good idea
to inflict sadness and suffering on others, usually in order to compel them
to obey or at least not to oppose whatever it is you want from them.
> My version of a perfect world would basically be no pain or suffering in
> any shape or form, fundamentally i think that death, pain and suffering
> are the only barriers to a perfect world for me.
This is a position worthy of any ten-year-old.
> It would be a good idea, in my head, if humanity starts to climb its mount
> improbable and evolve towards resolving its issues.
Gee... ya think?
> With Magick i will build me a new heaven and a new Earth, and ill do my
> best not to be a bigot, if the bigots dont mind.
Great. Let us know when you get there.
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Author: Janine StarscreamJanine Starscream Date: Jul 20, 2008 00:16
You know Tom, after reading that I felt so much better about myself. I
feel that to witness other people
doing the same things I DID all last year is a wonderful part of
growing up and growing out into
the whole plumbed world. Honestly it makes it so I don't have to
repeat the same spiel all the time,
but instead, directly or indirectly, rag on the youngin's that do.
It's a wonderful life.
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Author: SixthtySixthSixSixthtySixthSix Date: Jul 20, 2008 07:27
> You know Tom, after reading that I felt so much better about myself. I
> feel that to witness other people
> doing the same things I DID all last year is a wonderful part of
> growing up and growing out into
> the whole plumbed world. Honestly it makes it so I don't have to
> repeat the same spiel all the time,
> but instead, directly or indirectly, rag on the youngin's that do.
>
> It's a wonderful life.
Even better still... I know that Tom has made his usual, antagonistic,
defamatory post, but I can't see it, for JS hasn't quoted it! :P People
like Tom need a moth... moderator (even better than killfile) to clean the
list of their 'postings'. But let me not stray from the subject...
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Author: Janine StarscreamJanine Starscream Date: Jul 20, 2008 10:45
SixthtySixthSix wrote:
> Even better still... I know that Tom has made his usual, antagonistic,
> defamatory post, but I can't see it, for JS hasn't quoted it! :P People
> like Tom need a moth... moderator (even better than killfile) to clean the
> list of their 'postings'. But let me not stray from the subject...
>
> I hate to have to consistently suggest to myself that the world is
> obligatorily bound to an Absolute Balance- that for every attempt man makes
> to make the world a better place, some opposing manipulation must exact a
> negative toll to the end of an absolute balance being maintained. For my
> years of analysis of that such a possibility is applicable, this hypothesis
> remains one of the most discomforting...
Well Chaos being what Chaos is any attempt to change something in some
manner may or may
not (more likely may) create side effects of an unforseen (not
necessarily unforeseeable) nature,
and may very well constitute the dilemma you are facing.
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Author: SixthtySixthSixSixthtySixthSix Date: Jul 20, 2008 13:54
"Janine Starscream" yahoo.com>
> Personally I still remain unconvinced that it's an entirely closed
> universe, at least from a transtemporal multidimensional perspective.
> Maybe THE BIG UNIVERSE is enclosed, but from the scales we live in/on, I'm
> sure we get and give in ways we JUST DON"T KNOW.
It's easy to suggest that, in an infinite, unbounded universe (my personally
preferred flavor), that continuing to travel in a straight line (this is not
possible in a bounded universe... LOL!) eventually demands the 'currently'
applicable physical laws to change, ever so slightly, but consistently.
That 'over there' may not be such a nice place, or may be very nice...
> Attempting to overcode the entire system according to one being's
> subordinate perspective is bound to fail, as it did in my simulation
> experiment, because the factors involved so outstrip the
> body/brain-mind-"mystery" existence of each of us that it must reach up
> and out, as well as in and down, into orders of manifestation that have
> mutual effects unseen and unknown at the moment of making a decision.
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Author: Janine StarscreamJanine Starscream Date: Jul 20, 2008 14:38
What's your opine about Timothy Sutter?
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Author: SixthtySixthSixSixthtySixthSix Date: Jul 20, 2008 21:59
> What's your opine about Timothy Sutter?
Sutter: http://alt.mailarchive.ca/religion.christian/2007-05/3292.html
Sutter is not explicitely endorsing the advance he initially presents;
mechanistically (my preferred flavor of candy), this all must be quite true,
and he serves a flavored treat. It must be brought to light, however, that
the post is to some alt.religion group (he is interested in religion or is
feeding?), and, eventually, i begin to dissent...
"...we would have an impersonal nature which seems to be forced into
preparing for itself, a glimpse at a process it can never realize..."
...and so self-reference sullies the logic here. It is the representation,
the initial auspice of the actor in referencing the process, that is
flawed, for the reference of the actor to himself by himself cannot be
complete. More succinctly, that which chooses cannot legitimately analyze
the choice. It is not that the actor couldn't analyze the choice because
there was no choice, but because the analysis itself could not legitimately
occur.
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Author: TomTom Date: Jul 20, 2008 23:35
>
> Even better still... I know that Tom has made his usual, antagonistic,
> defamatory post, but I can't see it, for JS hasn't quoted it! :P
See how much people miss me when they try to hide from me? It's a love-hate
thing. Just like with their parents.
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Author: Janine StarscreamJanine Starscream Date: Jul 21, 2008 06:10
On Jul 21, 12:59 am, "SixthtySixthSix" ATT.NET>
wrote:> "Janine Starscream" yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Finally, all of this leads from choice to right and wrong... of course. My
> take on right and wrong is a maintenance of mechanism again. We have no
> legitimate choice- we are an assemblage of atoms. I attempt an advance on
> 'good and bad' as per the mathematical disposition (nature) of man- that
> which is ordered is good because we are ordered, and that which is chaotic
> is bad because we are ordered.
i would say it's more like a turbulence of vortices but that's just
me... atoms are too, um, slow? bulky, heavy things...
not like ssssstrange attractors, of which I obviously have a few...
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