> OK wrote:
>

>> Richo wrote:
>>

>>> StarbladeEnkai@Excite.com wrote:
>>>
>>>

>>>> I'm not asking whether or not exists. What is the definition of free
>>>> will?
>>>>
>>>>

>>> I have never encountered one that didn't fall apart on close
>>> examination.
>>> The problem is "free" - free from what?
>>>
>>> "mind-matter" dualism and determinism become the areas of contention.
>>>
>>> We do have will - and so we can be held responsible for our actions -
>>> that's enough for me. ...

> My God gave me free will. I am not a fundamentalist. I despise
> fundamentalists. I can not answer your last question. I have a problem
> with that question my self. I do not like the thought that my God knows
> what choice I am going to make. I like to think He gives me that choice.
> I like to think that choice is not made until it is made. That is what I
> believe. I do not know what to call that. Do you? Does anyone?

> Mike Painter wrote:

>> OK wrote:
>>

>>> Richo wrote:
>>>

>>>> StarbladeEnkai@Excite.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> I'm not asking whether or not exists. What is the definition of free
>>>>> will?
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>> I have never encountered one that didn't fall apart on close
>>>> examination.
>>>> The problem is "free" - free from what?
>>>>
>>>> "mind-matter" dualism and determinism become the areas of contention.
>>>> ...

> Mike Painter wrote:

>> OK wrote:
>>

>>> Richo wrote:
>>>

>>>> StarbladeEnkai@Excite.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> I'm not asking whether or not exists. What is the definition of free
>>>>> will?
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>> I have never encountered one that didn't fall apart on close
>>>> examination.
>>>> The problem is "free" - free from what?
>>>>
>>>> "mind-matter" dualism and determinism become the areas of contention.
>>>>
>>>> We do have will - and so we can be held responsible for our actions - ...

>

>>>>
>>>>

>>> Do they? How do you know that your god, does not control everything every
>>> body and everything does littereally *all* of the time. This was a common
>>> belief among many fundamentalists at one time.
>>> How can a god know everything if we can change our mind?
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> My God gave me free will.
>>

>
> Can you demonstrate it?
>

>

>> I am not a fundamentalist. I despise fundamentalists. I can not answer
>> your last question. I have a problem with that question my self. I do not ...

> OK wrote:
>

>> My God gave me free will. I am not a fundamentalist. I despise
>> fundamentalists. I can not answer your last question. I have a
>> problem with that question my self. I do not like the thought that my
>> God knows what choice I am going to make. I like to think He gives me
>> that choice. I like to think that choice is not made until it is
>> made. That is what I believe. I do not know what to call that. Do
>> you? Does anyone?

>
> Your concept of free will sounds like a limit to your hypothetical
> god's knowledge. You seem to be saying that, with respect to the
> lives of humans, he has to wait around till humans decide to find out
> how things will turn out.

> OK wrote:

>> Mike Painter wrote:

>>> OK wrote:
>>>

>>>> Richo wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> StarbladeEnkai@Excite.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm not asking whether or not exists. What is the definition of free
>>>>>> will?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>> I have never encountered one that didn't fall apart on close
>>>>> examination.
>>>>> The problem is "free" - free from what?
>>>>>
>>>>> "mind-matter" dualism and determinism become the areas of contention.
>>>>> ...

> Mike Painter wrote:

>> OK wrote:
>>

>>> Richo wrote:
>>>

>>>> StarbladeEnkai@Excite.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>

>>>>> I'm not asking whether or not exists. What is the definition of free
>>>>> will?
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>> I have never encountered one that didn't fall apart on close
>>>> examination.
>>>> The problem is "free" - free from what?
>>>>
>>>> "mind-matter" dualism and determinism become the areas of contention.
>>>>
>>>> We do have will - and so we can be held responsible for our actions - ...

> Denis Loubet wrote:

>> OK wrote:

>>> My God gave me free will.

>>
>> Can you demonstrate it?

>
> I am right now by writing this message!

> John Popelish wrote:

>> OK wrote:
>>

>>> My God gave me free will. I am not a fundamentalist. I despise
>>> fundamentalists. I can not answer your last question. I have a
>>> problem with that question my self. I do not like the thought that my
>>> God knows what choice I am going to make. I like to think He gives me
>>> that choice. I like to think that choice is not made until it is
>>> made. That is what I believe. I do not know what to call that. Do
>>> you? Does anyone?

>>
>> Your concept of free will sounds like a limit to your hypothetical
>> god's knowledge. You seem to be saying that, with respect to the
>> lives of humans, he has to wait around till humans decide to find out
>> how things will turn out.

>
> Well I may be wrong, I may be a heretic, I am an excommunicate, remember
> that. I do not think my God has to wait around for anything. I believe
> He gave me the power to choose. Why would He wait for me to do anything? ...