On 16 Mar, 19:43, monkeym...@hactrn.ch (Monkey Mind) wrote:
> The Speaking Clock
live.co.uk> writes:
>>> On 16 Mar, 16:42, monkeym...@hactrn.ch (Monkey Mind) wrote:
>>> "Tom"
comcast.net> writes:>
>
>
>>>> The questions at the end of the chapter give us some idea of the
>>>> overall formula of the spiritual path of Tibetan Buddhism.
>
>>>> Opening, surrender.
>>>> Emptying, shunyata.
>>>> Integration, tantra.
>
>>> The last bit, integration, is interesting and important. Â Awakening
>>> will not automatically solve the mundane problems we have.
>
>> I agree - the last bit, integration is interesting. Â However - imagine
>> that you become fully integrated, and still you stub your toe, still
>> you make an ass of yourself.
>
> Why should an awakened being somehow be more limited than an
> unawakened one? Â
A botanist and a child looks at a buttercup. One knows more about the
buttercup in scientific detail, the other stares into the petals with
simple wonder. An awakened one is both child and botanist. He may
pick the buttercup and be picked himself. When the wind moves the
flower it moves him, and in it's stillness he is stilled. There is no
external dharma but that we make for ourselves.
An awakened one see's the oneness of all things, but not all the
time. His self still craves a fixed point in time and space, a
definition, it obeys the function of itself even though it is aware of
the illusionary nature of itself and the true nature that is all. It
amassed vast effort for that single and eternal glimpse. It treasures
that glimpse like an anchor and is anchored by it - unknowingly still
unliberated. In moving - it forgets, then moves and remembers again.
(There are a few here like this). An enlightened one sees the oneness
of all things, but there is no one left to see it.
> Why should they only be able to act in certain ways?
> If awakening, liberation, freedom could be had in exchange for never
> making an ass of oneself again, it would be a trade, wouldn't it? Â Is
> a traded good free? Â If it's really free, liberated, liberating -
> could it be traded for such a currency as stubbing toes and making an
> ass of oneself?
Now I have a mental picture of you stamping like a racehorse and
saying "what's it all been for?" I hope you laughed;)
What would you trade to see a buttercup laugh?
In magick it's called the work, well - they call it the great work,
but how's about we just call it the work and not get
ostentatious? :) An archytect can design a temple in a few days with
a good cad program. The builders can come in and build it in a few
months. Then comes the joiners, plasters, electricians and upholsters
- maybe half a year at least, not accounting for refurbishments (and a
good refurb is very important). Then the practioners come in and the
real work begins - and that takes years - for a really good temple.
The end result - worth it but as temporary as everything else in this
life. Even the sun will one day burn out.
>> What is left to do then?
>
> Well, there's the question of livelihood. Â This has kept human being
> busy since time immemorial, and that's unlikely to change.
There is no external dharma. Everything is the work. Pick something
you love, even better, pick something you worship, and do it to the
best of your ability. And.... when you run around in computer games
there is always a little bag of gold hidden somewhere - so if we can
think of that as laughter, good laughter, and we can find it in our
daily work then cherish it and share it.
>> The Tibetans do quite a bit of death preparation, and in the moment
>> of death is a moment of complete surrender of body, mind, self and
>> personality.
>
> Death is absolutely certain, unlike everything else, so it's a really
> good idea to be prepared for the event.
>
>> It seems a bit chancy to leave everything until the last moment.
>
> Absolutely. Â Hence, endeavours such as Buddhism and Magick.
>
>> Magicians have the Magister Templi grade where they surrender the
>> self to the SELF (to quote Regardie). Â I liken an awakement to a
>> sleep and this final surrender to death, but death as a peaceful
>> smiling friend you have invited to visit and are pleased to
>> surrender entirely to. Â Perhaps if someone sees a Magister Templi
>> making an ass of themselves they will not see that it's a Golden
>> Ass? Â :)
>
> What is the point of speculating?
Lol. I like to see a sword kept sharp and clean. Indeed. Every
clock has its measure of time.
>> I just had an absurd mental picture of a Magister Templi aspirant
>> preparing to polevault an dark chasm. Â lol
>
> Why absurd? Â This chasm is alluded to in many traditions.
Because it's just a picture. Why = Because. So there are no
questions, no answers.
> Cheers,
> Florian
You 2. Thanks Florian. :)
> --
> Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
