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Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: Monkey Mind
Date: Mar 16, 2008 11:43

The Speaking Clock live.co.uk> writes:
> On 16 Mar, 16:42, monkeym...@hactrn.ch (Monkey Mind) wrote:
>> "Tom" comcast.net> writes:


>>> The questions at the end of the chapter give us some idea of the
>>> overall formula of the spiritual path of Tibetan Buddhism.
>>
>>> Opening, surrender.
>>> Emptying, shunyata.
>>> Integration, tantra.
>>
>> The last bit, integration, is interesting and important.  Awakening
>> will not automatically solve the mundane problems we have.
>
> I agree - the last bit, integration is interesting. However - imagine
> that you become fully integrated, and still you stub your toe, still
> you make an ass of yourself.

Why should an awakened being somehow be more limited than an
unawakened one? Why should they only be able to act in certain ways?
If awakening, liberation, freedom could be had in exchange for never
making an ass of oneself again, it would be a trade, wouldn't it? Is
a traded good free? If it's really free, liberated, liberating -
could it be traded for such a currency as stubbing toes and making an
ass of oneself?
> What is left to do then?

Well, there's the question of livelihood. This has kept human being
busy since time immemorial, and that's unlikely to change.
> The Tibetans do quite a bit of death preparation, and in the moment
> of death is a moment of complete surrender of body, mind, self and
> personality.

Death is absolutely certain, unlike everything else, so it's a really
good idea to be prepared for the event.
> It seems a bit chanchy to leave everything until the last moment.

Absolutely. Hence, endeavours such as Buddhism and Magick.
> Magicians have the Magister Templi grade where they surrender the
> self to the SELF (to quote Regardie). I liken an awakement to a
> sleep and this final surrender to death, but death as a peaceful
> smiling friend you have invited to visit and are pleased to
> surrender entirely to. Perhaps if someone sees a Magister Templi
> making an ass of themselves they will not see that it's a Golden
> Ass? :)

What is the point of speculating?
> I just had an absurd mental picture of a Magister Templi aspirant
> preparing to polevault an dark chasm. lol

Why absurd? This chasm is alluded to in many traditions.

Cheers,
Florian

--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
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