> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:
>

>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path, as a battle is ironic according
>> to Trungpa. You should take a wider view, juxtapose extremes. See the
>> games going around you, such as hope and fear, for what they are.

>
> As one who has experienced some of my relatives cut down in the prime
> of their lives, I think the image of "Goodfellas" is very apt in
> portraying some of those silly ass motherfuckers that it is OK to fear.

> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Meltdarok wrote:

>> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:
>>

>>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path, as a battle is ironic according
>>> to Trungpa. You should take a wider view, juxtapose extremes. See the
>>> games going around you, such as hope and fear, for what they are.

>>
>> As one who has experienced some of my relatives cut down in the prime
>> of their lives, I think the image of "Goodfellas" is very apt in
>> portraying some of those silly ass motherfuckers that it is OK to fear.

>
> He didn't say it isn't OK to fear, he said to recognize fear for what
> it is. That is, if you engage in fear, you are willingly
> participating in one of the games going on around you. You're buying
> into the beliefs that frame your perception such that, for example,
> death=bad and living=good, pain and suffering = bad, safety and
> comfort = good, etc. Those beliefs aren't necessary, and not only
> that, they can be very limiting. ...

> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Meltdarok wrote:

>> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:
>>

>>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path, as a battle is ironic according
>>> to Trungpa. You should take a wider view, juxtapose extremes. See the
>>> games going around you, such as hope and fear, for what they are.

>> As one who has experienced some of my relatives cut down in the prime
>> of their lives, I think the image of "Goodfellas" is very apt in
>> portraying some of those silly ass motherfuckers that it is OK to fear.

>
> He didn't say it isn't OK to fear, he said to recognize fear for what
> it is. That is, if you engage in fear, you are willingly
> participating in one of the games going on around you. You're buying
> into the beliefs that frame your perception...

> mika wrote, On 2/6/2008 2:10 PM:

>> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Meltdarok wrote:

>>> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:

>

>>>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path, as a battle is ironic according
>>>> to Trungpa. You should take a wider view, juxtapose extremes. See the
>>>> games going around you, such as hope and fear, for what they are.

>>> As one who has experienced some of my relatives cut down in the prime
>>> of their lives, I think the image of "Goodfellas" is very apt in
>>> portraying some of those silly ass motherfuckers that it is OK to fear.

>

>> He didn't say it isn't OK to fear, he said to recognize fear for what
>> it is. That is, if you engage in fear, you are willingly
>> participating in one of the games going on around you. You're buying
>> into the beliefs that frame your perception such that, for example,
>> death=bad and living=good, pain and suffering = bad, safety and
>> comfort = good, etc. Those beliefs aren't necessary, and not only
>> that, they can be very limiting.

> ...

> Later on in the book, in the chapter entitled "Tantra", Trungpa addresses
> his understanding of fear in relation to the awakened state.
>
> "In other words, instead of running away from fear, one must be completely
> involved in it, and begin to feel the rough and rugged quality of the
> emotion."

> On Feb 6, 11:28 pm, Meltdarok wrote:

>> mika wrote, On 2/6/2008 2:10 PM:

>>> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Meltdarok wrote:

>>>> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:

>>

>>>>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path...

> On 6 Feb, 20:19, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
>

>> Later on in the book, in the chapter entitled "Tantra", Trungpa addresses
>> his understanding of fear in relation to the awakened state.
>>
>> "In other words, instead of running away from fear, one must be
>> completely
>> involved in it, and begin to feel the rough and rugged quality of the
>> emotion."

>
> Tom, can you review the chapter "development of ego" please.

> On Feb 6, 11:28 pm, Meltdarok wrote:

>> mika wrote, On 2/6/2008 2:10 PM:

>>> On Feb 5, 10:09 am, Meltdarok wrote:

>>>> Chade wrote, On 2/5/2008 12:03 PM:

>>>>> Viewing life, and the spiritual path, as a battle is ironic according
>>>>> to Trungpa. You should take a wider view, juxtapose extremes. See the
>>>>> games going around you, such as hope and fear, for what they are.

>>>> As one who has experienced some of my relatives cut down in the prime
>>>> of their lives, I think the image of "Goodfellas" is very apt in
>>>> portraying some of those silly ass motherfuckers that it is OK to fear.

>>> He didn't say it isn't OK to fear, he said to recognize fear for what
>>> it is. That is, if you engage in fear, you are willingly
>>> participating in one of the games going on around you. You're buying
>>> into the beliefs that frame your perception such that, for example,
>>> death=bad and living=good, pain and suffering = bad, safety and
>>> comfort = good, etc. Those beliefs aren't necessary, and not only
>>> that, they can be very limiting.

>> I agree with that as a little fear can lead to a bit better discretion,
>> that way every one may survive all around, and a good person may get to ...