On Jan 23, 6:45Â pm, monkeym...@hactrn.ch (Monkey Mind) wrote:
> Summary of the chapter on self-deception:
>
> Spiritual realization/insight is not something to get, to
> obtain, to acquire, to attain to. Â It's not something external that we
> ingest or that gets otherwise internalized, and it's not something
> alien to us that is implanted, added or imparted to us by someone
> else. Â We acknowledge what we are, instead of dreaming up a perfect
> ideal we wish we were.
>
> With this in mind, how do we deal with a sudden flash of
> realization/insight? Â Once we view the experience as something
> valuable, we fear losing it (it's valuable, after all). Â Since we fear
> losing (the memory of) it, we try to re-live it in order to remember
> it. Â We hope for association with some dreamed-up perfection, and fear
> separation from it.
>
> The opposite of self-deception is facing life as it is.
>
> (There is a section of questions and answers at the end, which I'll
> skip here)
>
> My thoughts:
>
> So how does one "face life as it really is"? Â In Buddhism, there is
> the teaching of the four frames of reference (four foundations of
> mindfulness): focusing on the body, feelings, mind, and mental
> qualities "in and of themselves, putting aside greed and distress with
> reference to the world" - finding out what it's like to sit here right
> now, bodily. Can I be aware of both my feet at the same time? How does
> that feel? And so on.
>
> There are many techniques. Again, it's not a matter of performing the
> technique to create something I don't yet have, or to get better at
> something, or believing anything about it: but acknowledging, knowing
> what is.
>
> Some questions for discussion:
>
> Have you had moments of sudden insight? Â Then what happened? Â Is
> Trungpa's description of the process of splitting off the experience
> and trying to revisit it in the past (at the expense of the present)
> appropriate? Â Why or why not?
>
> Fantasizing about some ideal is clearly self-deception, but ideals
> have their uses: for motivation/inspiration, as a goal to give
> direction to one's efforts. Â How do you view this ... duality?
>
> I outlined one Buddhist insight technique above. Â How do you "deal
> with life as it really is"?
>
> What can you do to verify that you are not just deceiving youself
> about "facing life as it really is"?
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
>
> --
> Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
No mind, All sense. Senses divorced from thoughts, words, concepts,
abstractions (which is kinda hard to get to the gist of that while
using all of the above to talk-about it. The Unpronoucable Paradox),
can and DO give direct apprehension of not only whats behind the veil
of illusion, but also whats up the skirt of "reality". Each of our
senses has a further refinement, once they are fully glandularly
developed in the body. Most people pre-enlightenment (which can be
over come by at least ten minutes of nonconsciouslessness a day) are
basically like developmentally retarded fetuses. Fully developed, with
enough patience, attention, imagination and humor anyone (not really,
there are distinctions and limits. No egalitarianism ever, it's a lex
talionis world) can move into real adolescence, real maturity,
possibly expanding youth-life much much longer than what passes as the
normal maximum today, not to mention getting great powers OVER
perception OVER the world.
And forms of sensuality that make tantra look like practice.
Ego isn't bad, it's like surface programs you use to interface with
existence, getting rid of them is a sheer impossibility, and it's
egotistical in the first place to think you have the power to erase
something that is what's being erased. It's not possible unless you
meet your Anti-Self and it's Anti-Ego, then annihilation is possible.
Ego is like a garden, it can get overgrown, wild, full of weeds, or it
can be trimmed and made pretty and allow the aesthetic primality of
the world flow through it easy and naturally, in which case everything
you want will come your way. Don't extinquish, trim. No one really has
any choice about the matter, it's set by superdeterminism, at least
for a long long time.