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Author: ChadeChade Date: Feb 20, 2008 07:31
Apologies all for lateness.
Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence of ego.
Working backwards through the five Skandhas (see development of the
ego) using meditation.
The last Skandha results in irregular thought patterns flitting across
the mind. To clarify the confusion Trungpa says it's helpful to
examine the ideas of the four noble truths. They are; the truth of
suffering, the truth of the origin of suffering, the truth of the goal
and the truth of the path.
Starting with the truth of suffering is to start with the monkey's
confusion. Duhkha, witch Trungpa translates as "suffering",
"dissatisfaction" or "pain". The root of duhka is the constant whirl
in our heads. Thoughts of the past, the present the future. On and on,
we end up with the feeling that things are not quite right, and we
must try to fix them.
Somehow we never have time to taste life, we're always grasping for
whats next, even when we have pleasure we are afraid of losing it.
Understanding and confronting suffering is the next step.
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Author: TomTom Date: Feb 20, 2008 09:46
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> Are techniques such as creative visualisation incompatible with a
> Buddist path?
> Any other magical techniques?
If anything, Trungpa would consider most Western magical techniques to be
distractions. There are some cute tricks but essentially you're just
fooling around, like a child discovering a great big toy box.
> Saying when you seen the nowness there is no room for anything but
> peace, is all well and good, but is it always true? What about for a
> Jews in a concentration camp? or less dramatically, people with
> chronic pain?
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Author: mikamika Date: Feb 20, 2008 11:35
On Feb 20, 7:31 am, Chade wrote:
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> Saying when you seen the nowness there is no room for anything but
> peace, is all well and good, but is it always true? What about for a
> Jews in a concentration camp? or less dramatically, people with
> chronic pain?
This is the thing about chronic pain - if the source of the pain
cannot be healed or removed (like with me having arthritis), then at
some point you have to learn to work with the pain, learn to live with...
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: Feb 20, 2008 23:17
Chade wrote, On 2/20/2008 10:31 AM:
> Apologies all for lateness.
>
> Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
>
> Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence of ego.
> Working backwards through the five Skandhas (see development of the
> ego) using meditation.
> Saying when you seen the nowness there is no room for anything but
> peace, is all well and good, but is it always true? What about for a
> Jews in a concentration camp? or less dramatically, people with
> chronic pain?
Jews in a concentration camp was actually a classic example of the
certain people with the ability to rise above the suffering. There
were those who always had a kind word for all, and would share their
food even as they were being fed the barest minimum rations to survive.
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Author: KisaiKisai Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:04
On Feb 21, 1:17 am, Meltdarok aol.com> wrote:> Chade wrote, On 2/20/2008 10:31 AM:
>
>> Apologies all for lateness.
>
>> Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
>
>> Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence of ego.
>> Working backwards through the five Skandhas (see development of the
>> ego) using meditation.
>> Saying when you seen the nowness there is no room for anything but
>> peace, is all well and good, but is it always true? What about for a
>> Jews in a concentration camp? or less dramatically, people with
>> chronic pain?
>
> Jews in a concentration camp was actually a classic example of the
> certain people with the ability to rise above the suffering. There
> were those who always had a kind word for all, and would...
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Author: Bill PfeiferBill Pfeifer Date: Feb 21, 2008 16:44
Meltdarok wrote:
> Chade wrote, On 2/20/2008 10:31 AM:
>> Apologies all for lateness.
>>
>> Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
>>
>> Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence...
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: Feb 22, 2008 05:29
Kisai wrote, On 2/21/2008 7:04 PM:
> On Feb 21, 1:17 am, Meltdarok aol.com> wrote:>> Chade wrote, On 2/20/2008 10:31 AM:
>>
>>> Apologies all for lateness.
>>> Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
>>> Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence of ego.
>>> Working backwards through the five Skandhas (see development of the
>>> ego) using meditation.
>>> Saying when you seen the nowness there is no room for anything but
>>> peace, is all well and good, but is it always true? What about for a
>>> Jews in a concentration camp? or less dramatically, people with
>>> chronic pain?
>> Jews in a concentration camp was actually a classic example of the
>> certain people with the ability to rise above the suffering. There
>> were those who always had a kind word for all, and would share their
>> food even as they were being fed the barest minimum rations to survive.
>
> Wonderful. I'm sure the word "kapo" has no meaning to you
> whatsoever... ...
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Author: Monkey MindMonkey Mind Date: Feb 22, 2008 05:50
Chade newsguy.com> writes:
> Apologies all for lateness.
>
> Having introduced the monkey how can his predicament be solved?
>
> Trungpa suggests coming to an understanding and transcendence of ego.
> Working backwards through the five Skandhas (see development of the
> ego) using meditation.
>
> The last Skandha results in irregular thought patterns flitting across
> the mind. To clarify the confusion Trungpa says it's helpful to
> examine the ideas of the four noble truths. They are; the truth of
> suffering, the truth of the origin of suffering, the truth of the goal
> and the truth of the path.
A digression on the four noble truths, from a Theravada Buddhist
perspective, the one I am most familiar with:
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Author: ChadeChade Date: Feb 22, 2008 06:14
On 20 Feb, 19:35, mika gmail.com> wrote:
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> Personally, I started getting significantly better physically after I
> stopped fighting myself and accepted that living with chronic pain is
> my reality. I'd like to say it wasn't a coincidence...
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: Feb 22, 2008 08:05
Monkey Mind wrote, On 2/22/2008 8:50 AM:
> "Letting go", "seeing the nowness" etc, can be deeply misleading
> terms. "Letting go" is not "pushing away", and not "ignoring", and
> not "getting away from", and not "growing insensitive to". It is
> almost literally "releasing one's grip on". It is "noticing" but
> without engaging. This takes practice, particularly in discernment or
> wisdom.
>
> I honestly can't say how this would hold up under chronic pain or
> other extreme situations, but I suggest that every bit of mental
> training would help in some way, just as physical training will
> generally help meeting physical challenges.
>
> Cheers,
> Florian
>
DEVELOPMENT OF THE EIGHTFOLD PATH IN THE DISCIPLE
CONFIDENCE AND RIGHT-MINDEDNESS (2nd Step)
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