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Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Sar Draconis
Date: Nov 26, 2007 00:48

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45454

Posted: July 26, 2005
1:59 p.m. Eastern
By Aaron Klein
(c) 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
ceremony told WND.
The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.

The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
Sharon.
They argued Sharon's Gaza evacuation will "destroy Israel and the
Jewish people" and will cause Jewish deaths.
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Tom
Date: Nov 26, 2007 08:23

"Sar Draconis" aol.com> wrote in message
news:3a4abcc2-d4c1-4631-b13b-b699b6e30387@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
> cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
> Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
> ceremony told WND.
> The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
> Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.

Or so they said, anyway. Hey, everybody is going to die if we wait long
enough. All death curses come to pass eventually. So, it doesn't actually
make much difference if somebody mumbles their magic words or not. It's
just theater, prancing and posing for an audience. It doesn't even have to
happen. The prancing and posing is really what it's all about.
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Kisai
Date: Nov 26, 2007 08:51

On Nov 26, 2:48 am, Sar Draconis aol.com> wrote:
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45454
>
> Posted: July 26, 2005
> 1:59 p.m. Eastern
> By Aaron Klein
> (c) 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
>
> Fringe activists held a midnight kabbalistic ritual in an ancient
> cemetery calling for angels of death to kill Israeli Prime Minister
> Ariel Sharon and thwart his Gaza withdrawal plan, participants in the
> ceremony told WND.
> The same individuals used the ritual against Prime Minister Yitzhak
> Rabin one month before his assassination in 1995.
>
> The activists said they performed a 'Pulsa Dinura' - a kabbalistic
> ceremony in which God is asked to curse a sinner, usually an enemy of
> the Jewish people - and prayed for a death curse to be placed on
> Sharon.
> They argued Sharon's Gaza evacuation will "destroy Israel and the ...
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Kisai
Date: Nov 27, 2007 10:05

On Nov 26, 1:54 pm, mika gmail.com> wrote:
> No. No one does.

If you you read the first paragraph carefully, he's saying that the
ritual does exist, but not in a published work.

I expect the Pulsa D'Nora to be like the Church of Satan. If it
doesn't exist, someone's going to invent it.
> From: Statement by Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, from Yeshivat Benei N'vi'imhttp://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/pulsa.pdf
>
> "With all the notoriety the Pulsa D'Nora receives one might assume
> that the order...
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Robert Scott Martin
Date: Nov 28, 2007 07:08

In article <13c0e402-e20f-4645-93f1-242ed839d203@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
mika gmail.com> wrote:
>From: Statement by Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, from Yeshivat Benei N'vi'im
>http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/pulsa.pdf
>"With all the notoriety the Pulsa D'Nora receives one might assume
>that the order and
>ceremony of this ancient ritual is well known and readily available in
>certain Kabbalistic
>texts. This is by no means the case. Actually, of the hundreds, if not
>thousands of
>Kabbalah books available in print today not one of them contains a
>formula for the Pulsa
>D'Nora curse ritual. Therefore, unless one has received an oral
>transmission on how it is
>to be performed, no one knows how to do it, in spite of all claims to
>the opposite.

I have no idea if their hoodoo works or not, but surely Rebbe Tzadok will
concede that's a pretty pregnant "unless." And who knows how many
manuscripts remain tantalizingly unavailable in commercial print today?
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: mika
Date: Nov 28, 2007 09:02

On Nov 28, 7:08 am, gl...@panix.com (Robert Scott Martin) wrote:
> In article <13c0e402-e20f-4645-93f1-242ed839d...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mika gmail.com> wrote:
>>From: Statement by Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, from Yeshivat Benei N'vi'im
>>http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/pulsa.pdf
>>"With all the notoriety the Pulsa D'Nora receives one might assume
>>that the order and
>>ceremony of this ancient ritual is well known and readily available in
>>certain Kabbalistic
>>texts. This is by no means the case. Actually, of the hundreds, if not
>>thousands of
>>Kabbalah books available in print today not one of them contains a
>>formula for the Pulsa
>>D'Nora curse ritual. Therefore, unless one has received an oral
>>transmission on how it is
>>to be performed, no one knows how to do it, in spite of all claims to
>>the opposite.
>
> I have no idea if their hoodoo works or not, but surely Rebbe Tzadok will ...
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Robert Scott Martin
Date: Nov 28, 2007 09:26

In article <74169b69-5ea7-4111-8035-3e272b365173@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
mika gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: mika
Date: Nov 28, 2007 10:12

On Nov 28, 9:26 am, (Robert Scott Martin) wrote:
> mika wrote:
>> RSM wrote:
>>> I have no idea if their hoodoo works or not, but surely Rebbe Tzadok will
>>> concede that's a pretty pregnant "unless."
>
>>It may be pregnant, but it's not going to give birth. Especially not
>>for some goy wanker.
>
> While a goy wanker it's true,

I wasn't referring specifically to you, it was a generic reference to
the 'uninitiated', the people who are not in a position to receive
oral transmission of an occult Jewish tradition.
> I know plenty of things relevant to my field
> that don't exist in any books "available in print today." Some received
> via oral transmission. Many from manuscripts that aren't "available in
> print today." Maybe even a few from direct channels. It happens all the
> time in our field, assuming of course someone's doing it right.

What field?
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: Robert Scott Martin
Date: Nov 28, 2007 11:54

In article <7c66bc28-855f-45b0-95b8-8644311a90a1@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
mika gmail.com> wrote:
>What field?

Alchemy!
>If someone told you he knew this particular ritual because he received
>it through oral transmission, would you believe him? How could you
>verify his claim?

Well, he can verify his claim to having a version of it by passing it on
to me, at which case I know for a fact that I have possession of his
version (unless of course he's lying, but knowing how far I can trust this
guy is my own risk to manage) and that, therefore, he had it too.

If I care that much about this particular technique, it's then up to me to
verify how his version compares to any other versions out there by going
to other claimants, bargaining with them to get their versions and
determining for myself who (if anyone) has the least corrupted version of
the text. Few people care that much.

Of course none of this has any bearing on verifying whether this technique
-- authentic or otherwise -- actually works as advertised. For that, we
need to go through the hoorah and see if it slays where no man slays.
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Re: Could a Kabbalistic Ritual Slay Where No Man Slays?         


Author: mika
Date: Nov 28, 2007 13:13

On Nov 28, 11:54 am, (Robert Scott Martin) wrote:
> mika wrote:
>
>>What field?
>
> Alchemy!

Ah. I'm more inclined to call it a hobby or interest rather than a
"field", especially in the context of this conversation. It's the
difference between a scholar who has access to and is able to read and
understand kabbalistic texts in their original ('biblical') hebrew,
and the random person who is only able to read other people's readily
available interpretations and distillations of those texts.
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