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Author: frater_annuit_coeptisfrater_annuit_coeptis Date: May 21, 2008 02:53
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Main Entry: mag•ic
Pronunciation: ma-jik.
{magic} noun; the art of producing illusions by tricks
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English magik, from Old French magique, from Late
Latin magica, from Latin magice, from Greek magike, from feminine of
magikos, of the Magi, magical, from magos, magician, magus
{Merriam-Webster Dictionary}
Whether the reader finds the rites and sacrifices to be of fiction
from the hands of illusionist scribes, or imaginative minds amok, the
affect of engaging in a fiction or “real” magic rite is as real as the
reader dares to accept. Be it a rite of of Memphris-Misraïm Lodges,
sacrifices to Lilith, Rosicrucian initiations, Ismaili prayers, or
Lovecraftian spells of Cthulhu mythos, the psychological affect of
each is empirically measured.
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Author: TomTom Date: May 21, 2008 08:30
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> Whether the reader finds the rites and sacrifices to be of fiction
> from the hands of illusionist scribes, or imaginative minds amok, the
> affect of engaging in a fiction or “real” magic rite is as real as the
> reader dares to accept.
I'll forgive you the extremely clumsy grammar and diction and try to focus
in on your message. What you seem to be trying to say is that reality is
whatever you decide it is and therefore, illusions are real if you just try
hard enough to believe in them. Is that right?
> Be it a rite of of Memphris-Misraïm Lodges,
> sacrifices to Lilith, Rosicrucian initiations, Ismaili prayers, or
> Lovecraftian spells of Cthulhu mythos, the psychological affect of
> each is empirically measured.
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Author: MelkorMelkor Date: May 21, 2008 20:58
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:30:53 -0700, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Whether the reader finds the rites...
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Author: TomTom Date: May 21, 2008 22:42
"Melkor" middleearth.com> wrote in message
news:jor934lcto95ldrjck3a87qbvsj9q91755@4ax.com...> On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:30:53 -0700, "Tom"
> comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> Whether the reader finds the rites and sacrifices to be of fiction
>>> from the hands of illusionist scribes, or imaginative minds amok, the
>>> affect of engaging in a fiction or "real" magic rite is as real as the
>>> reader dares to accept.
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>>I'll forgive you the extremely clumsy grammar and diction and try to focus
>>in on your message. What you seem to be trying to say is that reality is
>>whatever you decide it is and therefore, illusions are real if you just
>>try
>>hard enough to believe in them. Is that right? ...
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Author: Executive FunctionExecutive Function Date: May 22, 2008 02:13
On 22 May, 07:42, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:> "Melkor" middleearth.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:30:53 -0700, "Tom"
>> comcast.net> wrote:>
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>>>> Whether the reader finds the rites and sacrifices to be of fiction
>>>> from the hands of illusionist scribes, or imaginative minds amok, the
>>>> affect of engaging in a fiction or "real" magic rite is as real as the
>>>> reader dares to accept. ...
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Author: TomTom Date: May 22, 2008 08:20
> On 22 May, 07:42, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>>
>> A false belief exists. It's a real belief. However, what is believed may
>> not exist. So depending on how you parse it, a false belief might be
>> unreal
>> or it might be real. It might exist and it might not. Just believing it
>> does not resolve this indeterminacy.
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> And when belief is applied to self...? :)
The self is a story, a narrative. It doesn't matter to the self if a belief
is true or false since it's only a story. So any belief, false or true, has
effects on the self. When you believe Jesus has saved you, you tell
yourself that you feel better. It may be that, because you feel better, you
start to act differently. When you act differently, you get different
consequences. The different consequences lead you to believe that your
belief in the salvation of Jesus is a true belief, whether or not Jesus
actually exists or not.
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Author: Executive FunctionExecutive Function Date: May 22, 2008 09:51
On 22 May, 17:20, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>> On 22 May, 07:42, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>
>>> A false belief exists. It's a real belief. However, what is believed may
>>> not exist. So depending on how you parse it, a false belief might be
>>> unreal
>>> or it might be real. It might exist and it might not. Just believing it
>>> does not resolve this indeterminacy.
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>> And when belief is applied to self...? :)
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> The self is a story, a narrative. It doesn't matter to the self if a belief
> is true or false since it's only a story. So any belief, false or true, has
> effects on the self. When you believe Jesus has saved you, you tell
> yourself that you feel better. It may be that, because you feel better, you
> start to act differently. When you act differently, you get different ...
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Author: TomTom Date: May 22, 2008 13:34
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> Would you say that ritual self suggestion could par down the narrative
> to it's essentials (maybe further?).
They can, if the operator actually understands what they're expressing.
Mostly, people who do these rituals have no idea what they're doing. They
are mired in a superstitious belief that what's going on is some sort of
"paranormal" event. So what they're doing is compounding fantasy rather
than cutting through it.
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Author: Executive FunctionExecutive Function Date: May 22, 2008 14:02
On 22 May, 22:34, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:> "Executive Function" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Would you say that ritual self suggestion could par down the narrative
>> to it's essentials (maybe further?).
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> They can, if the operator actually understands what they're expressing.
> Mostly, people who do these rituals have no idea what they're doing. They
> are mired in a superstitious belief that what's going on is some sort of
> "paranormal" event. So what they're doing is compounding fantasy rather
> than cutting through it.
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Author: TomTom Date: May 22, 2008 21:40
> On 22 May, 22:34, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:>> "Executive Function" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> news:c6034097-a1d6-42d8-9045-52992436096c@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>>>>> Would you say that ritual self suggestion could par down the narrative
>>> to it's essentials (maybe further?).
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>> They can, if the operator actually understands what they're expressing.
>> Mostly, people who do these rituals have no idea what they're doing. They
?> are mired in a superstitious belief that what's going on is some sort of
>> "paranormal" event. So what they're doing is compounding fantasy rather
>> than cutting through it.
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> Perhaps it's ironic then, that the most suggestible people are
> probably the ones who can get the most out of self suggestion, and yet ...
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