bobandcarole wrote:
> Secret Squirrel wrote:
>>> Secret Squirrel
nottheremailer.net>
>>>>>>>> In article <8N6HMV9538978.4762152778@anonymous.poster>
>>>>> Secret Squirrel
nottheremailer.net> writes:>>>>
>>>>>> Ahhh, but to your KKK, open and free discussions are,
>>>>>> or should be, a crime. Your KKK can't abide rational
>>>>>> and open discussions, because you know if that becomes
>>>>>> the playing field, that you lose; for the same reason
>>>>>> can't abide honest scientific investigations on the
>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, do remember: it's "perverted justice" than Bob
>>>>> pants after, by his own words.
>>>>
>>>> And, as it just happens, there was a post on the
>>>> "perverted justice" organization on asb-l just yesterday,
>>>> from the website of corrupted-justice, which exposes the
>>>> wrongdoings of these anti-pedo vigilantes.
>
Pedo lies, nothing more
>>>
>>> Oh. OK, I had thought that bob's phrase "perverted
>>> justice" was merely an all too revealing typo. I see now
>>> that we're talking an entrapment association instead. My
>>> bad.
>
That's correct, try to pick up a child online and you risk big
trouble.
>>
>> Perverted Justice vigilantes go online into internet chat
>> rooms posing as minors in the hopes of "catching a perv"
>> by luring him or her into a conversation all the while
>> unbeknowst to them, and in violation of the TOSs of most
>> chat providers, recording and storing a record of the
>> conversation. Perverted Justice claims that its members
>> never initiate any talk of sex, but some records indicate
>> otherwise,
>
Then post "some" records, I think you're a liar.
>
>
> and moreover the conversations in the main chat
>> areas are NOT recorded by these vigilantes (so an opening
>> salvo of 'horny 13-yo girl wants sex TONITE' upon entering
>> a main chat area would not be stored...hmmm).
>
>
>
> Irrelevant, get it through you thick, dumb, primate skull...
> It doesn't matter that a child might entice a grown man.
> If he has sex with the child, he raped the child and he will pay
> dearly...bottom line.
>
> When they
>> think (in their minds) that they have enough evidence to
>> "out the perv", they anonymously send flyers or emails to
>> the "perv's" family, his employer, and others in his
>> community--frequently without any contacting of law
>> enforcement at all, and sometimes the information-gathering
>> and harrassment activites break Federal and state laws.
>
Another lie.....
>>
>> There are lots of things wrong with these tactics. One,
>> most of these chat rooms are listed as "for adults only",
>> so people come there for cybersex and fantasy--and honestly
>> expect that the "horny 13 yo girl" on the other end is
>> really 45, or even maybe a male, and it's all harmless
>> entertainment.
>
If a grown mans "fantasy" is buttfucking a small boy, the bastard
deserves everything he gets...
>
>
> But even when the "perv" is for real,
>> Perverted Justice's habits of "outing" him or her sans any
>> law enforcement
>
>
PJ works with LEA and Dateline NBC regularly.
Try watching something besides kiddie porn sleezy..........
>
>
>
>>
>> And--let's pretend's say the "perv" is for real and gets
>> outed--what about all the young people the "perv" may have
>> had contact with? Then, to the whole community--they become
>> "sex abuse victims" whether or not they actually had any
>> sexual contact at all with the "perv" outed. When the "perv"
>> is homosexual, this means all the boys he knew, however
>> casually, might suffer taunts and ridicule of being "queer"
>> at their school, in their churches, in their communities.
>
And the pedophile gets locked up or a cap in his ass....
>>
>> Even using a rational evaluation of what's good for their
>> own objectives, Perverted Justice is a bad idea.
>
I wouldn't expect a vile pedophile to think differently....
>
>
> Worse,
>> (and to a boylover like myself,
>
>
You mean pedophile.....
>
> this is not news at all)
>> it shows how these self-appointed "protectors of children"
>> really aren't interested in the welfare of kids at all:
>> they're willing to sacrifice any number of them, if need
>> be, in order to "catch the perv". They're all too happy
>> to see any number of young girls get called "a whore", or
>> young boys get called "faggot", no matter how casually
>> acquainted they were with the "perv", in order to uphold
>> their precious sex taboos. To them the taboo means everyting,
>> and people are just collateral damage.
>
You're losing it sleezy.........
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> Is legal recourse not available? My impression is that
>>> ISPs are generally cooperative when legal action is
>>> involved.
>>
>> Yes, there is. The problem is, the perverted-justice vigilantes
>> attack their targets under the cloak of anonymity, which makes
>> the job more difficult. (Note: B&C attacks my use of anonymity,
>> but mine is purely defensive, and largely motivated by the fact
>> nutbars like B&C exist, whereas they use anonymity offensively,
>> as a weapon. Big difference). Many of the perverted-justice
>> types are twentysomething adult males, who were/are heavily
>> involved in computer gaming and roleplaying (gah. nerds?),
>> which gives them fair to good internet skills.
>>
>> That's why the group Corrupted-Justice was formed:
>>
>>
http://www.corrupted-justice.com
>>
>> - From their "about us" on their webpage:
>>
>>
Corrupted-Justice.com was started in April 2004 in reaction
>> to the dangerous and immoral behavior and often illegal
>> actions of the members of
Perverted-Justice.com.
>>
>> Most of the 700+ members of our organization were visitors to
>> or members of
Perverted-Justice.com (PJ). Some of our members
>> were actual participants. After realizing that PJ truly is a
>> vigilante organization in every sense of the word, one that
>> was destroying lives with no concern for the rule of law or
>> the concept of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of
>> law", a number of "anti-PJers" managed to contact each other
>> through various internet web logs and message forums.
>> Realizing that it would be necessary to "band together" in
>> order to attempt to stop this menace,
Corrupted-Justice.com
>> was formed.
>
Well you just don't see CJ on TV with Dateline NBC do you? :-)
>>
>> Our staff expend considerable effort in research, attempting
>> to turn up details such as names and contact information for
>> those involved in PJ activities, as well as legal information
>> and corporate internet Terms of Service agreements in the
>> hopes that we may assist the legal community in stopping PJ
>> by passing on the information we have gathered. (The results
>> of our research are NOT displayed publicly.). None of the
>> personal information gathered by our organization is released
>> publicly. It is stored securely and provided only to
>> attorneys and law enforcement officials requesting the
>> information.
>>
>> Corrupted-Justice consists primarily of this website which
>> displays helpful, common-sense information for the general
>> public and those being targeted by PJ, as well as an online
>> forum for use by Corrupted-Justice members and the public at
>> large to discuss tactics, laws, and any legal avenues which
>> might be used to put a stop to the miscarriage of justice
>> being carried out by PJ.
>>
>> The Corrupted-Justice forums are open forums with no
>> restrictions to membership. All comment, pro or con is
>> invited as long as it is done respectfully, and lively
>> discussions ensue daily about the threat to civil rights
>> that PJ creates.
>>
>> No Corrupted-Justice members have ever been "busted" by PJ.
>> We are not "pedophile enablers" or "pro-pedophile". We at
>>
Corrupted-Justice.com do not condone pedophilia or any
>> inappropriate contact between adults and children. We believe
>> persons involved in those activities should be prosecuted to
>> the fullest extent of the law. We believe in using law
>> enforcement to handle the prosecution of these things.
>> Perverted-Justice is not law enforcement.
>>
>> We are simply concerned parents, computer experts, students,
>> activists, and primarily, very concerned citizens. We
>> strongly believe in the concept of the rule of law, and do
>> not believe ANY group, regardless of the evil they purport to
>> combat, is justified in trampling the rule of law by the use
>> of intimidation, public humiliation and harassment. We mean
>> to see it stopped.
>>
>> ================
>>
>> According to C-J, some 2,668 people to date have been wrongly
>> "outed" as child sex predators by perverted-justice vigilante
>> tactics.
>
And the source is questionable.....
>
>
The bottom line is:
Perverted Justice is legal
PJ is not going anywhere
PJ will continue to find and persecute pedophiles
And there's not a damn thing you can do about it...:-)
