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Author: ChadeChade Date: Jun 4, 2008 04:49
In many ways this is the nadir of IB's Real Magic, contradicting much
of the introduction. Fortunately, the book does improve again.
However, on we go. IB continues his narrative that science had mined
deeper into occultism over time. Starting with stuff like maths and
chemistry science established newer disciplines such as psychology and
parapsychology. IB sees parapsychology as an opportunity to recast the
vocabulary of occultism, continuing his efforts to simplify magic.
This leads us to something akin to the 'scrapbook of superstition'
derided in the introduction. IB starts with clairvoyance, going on to
speculate about the other clair-senses, both human and animal.
Now in contrast to the tone on most of the chapter IB does suggest
that sometimes the source of clair-sense may be the crytalisation of a
'hunch', in the nature of hunches sometimes right and sometimes wrong.
Now moving onto mind over matter we take a surreal turn into pseudo-
science. Secret experiments where animals are teleported by mediums
only for the animals to arrive dead.....
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Author: ChadeChade Date: Jun 4, 2008 07:25
On 4 Jun, 12:49, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:
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> Now moving onto mind over matter we take a surreal turn into pseudo-
> science. Secret experiments where animals are teleported by mediums
> only for the animals to arrive dead.....
>
> IB claims there is a philosophical basis for this in Buddhism.
> "The Buddhist term for "instant" is the ksana, which also means "the
> favorable moment". Any instant may become the ksana; illumination is
> instantaneous (eka-ksana) and usually symbolised as a lighting flash.
> Thus the difference between "moment" and ksana is qualitative. The
> ksana is coexistant with every instant of time past-present-future. By
> jumping into ksana from the present, you should be able to jump off
> again into any point of past or future."
>
> Uh-huh.
>
To clarify IB sees a link between teleportation in space and
teleportation in time.
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Author: TomTom Date: Jun 4, 2008 08:35
>
> IB claims there is a philosophical basis for this in Buddhism.
> "The Buddhist term for "instant" is the ksana, which also means "the
> favorable moment". Any instant may become the ksana; illumination is
> instantaneous (eka-ksana) and usually symbolised as a lighting flash.
> Thus the difference between "moment" and ksana is qualitative. The
> ksana is coexistant with every instant of time past-present-future. By
> jumping into ksana from the present, you should be able to jump off
> again into any point of past or future."
>
> Uh-huh.
Would this be "mystercism"? It sure isn't Buddhism.
What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump" into.
Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present moment.
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Author: GaleGale Date: Jun 4, 2008 11:46
Tom wrote:
> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present moment.
The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
--
Blessed Be,
Gale
original fiction, poetry, reviews http://www.capjewels.com
"Progress which pursues only the next invention, progress which pulls
thought out of the mind and replaces it with idle slogans, is not
progress at all. It is a beckoning mirage in a desert over which stagger
the generations of men." -- Loren Eisley, _The Firmament of Time_
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Author: David CantuDavid Cantu Date: Jun 4, 2008 18:42
Tom wrote:
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>> IB claims there is a philosophical basis for this in Buddhism.
>> "The Buddhist term for "instant" is the ksana, which also means "the
>> favorable moment". Any instant may become the ksana; illumination is
>> instantaneous (eka-ksana) and usually symbolised as a lighting flash.
>> Thus the difference between "moment" and ksana is qualitative. The
>> ksana is coexistant with every instant of time past-present-future. By
>> jumping into ksana from the present, you should be able to jump off
>> again into any point of past or future."
>>
>> Uh-huh.
>
> Would this be "mystercism"? It sure isn't Buddhism.
>
> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump" ...
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Author: David CantuDavid Cantu Date: Jun 4, 2008 18:46
Gale wrote:
> Tom wrote:
>
>> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
>> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
>> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present moment.
>
>
> The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
>
> Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
> advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
>
It is demonstrably true that all you perceive as "now" arrives from the
past, the speed of light being finite and all. But that's material
physics, not meta.
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Author: reflective*gazereflective*gaze Date: Jun 4, 2008 18:59
David Cantu wrote:
> Gale wrote:
>> Tom wrote:
>>
>>> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
>>> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
>>> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present
>>> moment.
>>
>>
>> The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
>>
>> Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
>> advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
>>
>
>
> It is demonstrably true that all you perceive as "now" arrives from the
> past, the speed of light being finite and all. But that's material
> physics, not meta. ...
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Author: GaleGale Date: Jun 4, 2008 19:00
David Cantu wrote:
> Gale wrote:
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>> Tom wrote:
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>>> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
>>> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
>>> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present
>>> moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
>>
>> Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
>> advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
>>
>
> ...
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Author: David CantuDavid Cantu Date: Jun 4, 2008 21:09
Gale wrote:
> David Cantu wrote:
>> Gale wrote:
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>>> Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
>>>> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
>>>> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present
>>>> moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
>>>
>>> Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
>>> advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
>>>
>> ...
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Author: MeltdarokMeltdarok Date: Jun 5, 2008 02:18
Gale wrote, On 6/4/2008 10:00 PM:
> David Cantu wrote:
>> Gale wrote:
>>
>>> Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What Isaac failed to realize is that "past" and "future" are merely
>>>> recollection and anticipation, not other worlds that one can "jump"
>>>> into. Everything, even the past and the future, is in the present
>>>> moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The present moment doesn't exist. Only the past and the future are real.
>>>
>>> Think about that possibility -- then maybe you'll hesitate before you
>>> advance metaphysical assertions with so much certainty.
>>>
>> ...
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