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Author: CoreyWhite
Date: Jan 25, 2007 20:45

Hmm, it doesn't sound that it is illegal from these factbites I am
pulling up. The exact, and patented chemical formula I am taking is
different than pure straight methoxy apparently. but here is what I
pulled up. Still, I think I may return it because of certain
similarities I am noticing, depending on how I feel when the drug wears
off.

Methoxyisoflavone
Nonessential Micronutrient

OVERVIEW

Summary
Livestock producers around the world are using an isoflavone (a plant
chemical with "steroid-like" effects) called methoxy to naturally
increase the size of their animals (hormone free), so there's probably
some potential here. Despite the claims, though, there's just not
enough evidence to show that it has any real potential for enhancing
muscle size in humans. There are other more effective isoflavones, like
ipriflavone (daidzein), the one methoxy's claims are based on, which
supports both your skeletal system and heart.

Other names for Methoxyisoflavone
5-methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavone, 7 methoxy, ipriflavone, methoxyflavone,
methoxy

Proprietary Information
U.S. patent 4,163,746 (filed in 1977, and now expired).

Where to find Methoxyisoflavone
Methoxyflavone is a synthetic extract - a version of one of the major
isoflavones, which are plant-based compounds with estrogen-like effects
found primarily in soybeans.

PERFORMANCE BENEFITS

Why athletes use Methoxyisoflavone
The claims of methoxy's muscle-building potential are fairly
exaggerated and clearly lack supporting science. Although it's been
shown and used for decades to increase the weight of barnyard animals,
that doesn't necessarily mean it works or is safe for us too. On the
other hand, the isoflavone upon which methoxy was based, ipriflavone
(daidzein), remains as useful as ever for the skeletal system and
heart. For more information on soy isoflavones, see our nutrient
profile on soy protein.

Ways that Methoxyisoflavone can enhance Muscle Gain & Recovery:

Potentially increase muscle mass by increasing nitrogen retention
Supposedly help suppress cortisol levels and spare muscle tissue
Ways that Methoxyisoflavone can enhance Fat Loss:

Possibly decrease fat by suppressing appetite and transporting
nutrients away from fat tissue

HEALTH BENEFITS

Signs of Methoxyisoflavone deficiency
No deficiency conditions are known to exist.

Potential uses for Methoxyisoflavone
Research indicates that Methoxyisoflavone may be useful in the
treatment of:

Catabolism (muscle wasting)
Pathological thinness

DISCUSSION

More about Methoxyisoflavone
Methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavone is a slightly altered version of
ipriflavone (7-isopropoxyisoflavone), and because it's considered a
chemical cousin of this compound, it's been suggested to have similar
functions. But let's get something straight right off the top: they
aren't the same, and they don't produce the same array of benefits.
Unfortunately, what's happened as a result of this "slight"
misconception is that manufacturers have allegedly used the actual
science behind ipriflavone (a soy derivative also called daidzein) to
make methoxy seem valid and more potent than it really is. So while
ipriflavone has a more solid history of health benefits, methoxy does
not share that history - in the least. Confused yet? We were... but
now that we've scoured the research and medical journals and sorted it
all out, we've uncovered the facts.

How it all started...
The highly touted muscle-building benefits of methoxyflavone seem to be
a lot more hype than anything else, created for obvious reasons in the
process of trying to obtain patents. During the search for new
anabolics in the 1970's, researchers strived to develop a compound that
didn't have the pharmaceutical steroid status. The patent for
methoxyflavone (U.S. patent 4,163,746) was first filed in 1977 by
Chinoin, a Hungarian pharmaceutical company and leader in flavonoid
research and knowledge.

The research was aimed at finding a nutrient-repartitioning agent able
to transport much-needed nutrients away from fat tissue and toward
muscle tissue. Nothing much came of it, and the compound was shelved
for years. Then, in the 1980's, livestock producers introduced it as a
new compound to increase lean mass in animals. Now, some 20 years
later, with the end of its patent protection (which means anyone can
copy the product, which is easy, since patents have to list exact
manufacturing techniques), a new supplement, called methoxyisoflavone,
popped onto the performance-supplement market... with no real science
to back its claims.

Unfortunately, patents don't mean a product works. They just mean the
product is patented. In addition, methoxyflavones appear to have
negative effects on important testosterone-conversion enzymes, whereby
it inhibits the enzyme responsible for converting precursor hormones
into testosterone. And, due to its similar structure to ipriflavone, it
may even enhance the effects of estrogen in certain parts of the body
(which isn't in the least bit beneficial for men trying to put on
muscle mass).

What did the research say - for muscle building?
Research on methoxyflavones was originally conducted in the late 1970's
(yes, as in some 20 plus years ago) and found that when methoxyflavone
was given to rats, rabbits, and other barnyard animals, a small gain in
bodyweight of 10%% to 20%% was seen. It has also been tested on
emaciated, chronically ill patients and caused a gain of a few
kilograms of weight. This, today, is what the main marketing claims for
methoxy appear to be based on.

5-Methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavone patent research also shows that when the
isoflavone is methylated, it becomes more anabolic compared to
ipriflavone. This again gave marketers the idea to use substantiated
ipriflavone research in their claims.

Although this research is a bit dated, it suggests, to a limited
extent, that something was happening to body mass. From there, it was
presumed that either catabolism (muscle wasting) had been diminished or
some type of anabolic (muscle-building) action had taken place. Neither
has been determined to be the effective mechanism nor documented by any
conclusive studies. And the fact that there were no changes in hormone
levels, except partially suppressed cortisol levels, suggested that at
most, methoxyisoflavone may be a potential anti-catabolic agent
(meaning it may prevent muscle breakdown).

In conclusion
Methoxy has basically no conclusive research, and its anabolic benefits
are dubious and unfounded at best. Even so, livestock producers are
using it to naturally increase the size of their animals (hormone
free), so there's probably some potential here. And any potential
muscle-building effects of these supplements seems to occur as the
result of increased calcium, potassium, and nitrogen retention, as well
as by suppression of cortisol without androgenic or liver-damaging
effects.

All in all, if you're willing to roll the dice on a supplement that has
more hearsay than anything else and spend the money (it's pretty
expensive), methoxy might be worth a try for muscle support. But we'll
wait for more valid research before we draw our conclusions on its real
benefits.

NOTES ON USAGE

Amount and Timing
Most manufacturers' suggested range of 5-methyl-7-methoxy-isoflavone is
anywhere between 400 and 800 mg taken in 2 divided doses (200 to 400 mg
twice daily).

Note
Part of the problem with methoxyflavone is that it becomes inert
quickly, has a short half-life, and is destroyed in the stomach before
it reaches the liver. Studies used injections, not oral delivery, but
injection is considered a medical use and is thus illegal. And forget
about protein powders claimed to contain it. If they do have any, it
will be destroyed in the stomach before it enters the bloodstream.
Sublingual products in a liposome delivery system appear to be the
ideal form, but again this needs to be substantiated with independent
studies.

Synergists of Methoxyisoflavone
Ecdysterone allegedly increases protein synthesis along with methoxy,
but ecdysterone is also a questionable supplement.

Toxicity of Methoxyisoflavone
No known toxicity.

Bans and restrictions
None reported.

RELATED RESEARCH

Research on methoxy is almost nonexistent. Most of the research used by
manufacturers to support methoxy is actually for other isoflavones,
such as ipriflavone.

US Patent #4163746

US Patent #3949085

Incledon, T., et al., "The Effects of 5-Methyl-7-Methoxyisoflavone on
Body Composition and Performance in College-Aged Men," Human
Performance Specialists, Inc., Plantation, FL, and University of
Nebraska-Kearney, Kearney, NE. (Sponsor: Jose Antonio, FACSM).
Unpublished.

On Jan 25, 10:42 pm, "CoreyWhite" gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:20?pm, "CoreyWhite" gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Check out all the great products on body building . com listed by
>> category of how they can enhance your life.http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/goals.htm
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>> I ordered a Methoxy suppliment and also some Zinc and Magnesium natural
>> suppliments. ?The Zinc and Magnesium are good at naturally boosting
>> testosterone to help get in shape. ?And the Methoxy works in two ways:
>> it regenerates muscle tissue really fucking fast, and it converts fat
>> into muscle and grows both lean endurance muscle and muscle mass.
>
>> I took one pill, and the boxy says you can take 2 per day (But I
>> wouldn't reccommend it). ?So I took one pill and 5 minuets later I was
>> doing sets of 200 crunches, one after another. ?Then I started working
>> out with my 10 pound free weights, doing all the major muscle groups in
>> my arms, and doing push-ups as well. ?I couldn't do as many push ups or
>> lifts with the weights compared to the ammount of sit-ups I was doing.
>> It seems to be a problem with the drug. ?The drug enters the
>> bloodstream through the stumache and targets the muscles closest to
>> that area before reaching the limbs. ?That's why body builders
>> sometimes will inject drugs into their arms. ?But that aside, I wasn't
>> able to do any pushups or lift much weight at all before I took the
>> pill. ?And after I took it, I had so much energy I worked out all of
>> these exercises solid for 1 hour. ?And I even worked on flexibility,
>> and wouldn't you know it was the first time in my life I have ever
>> touched my fucking toes!
>
>> I was also holding a striaght spine and doing Tai Chi the whole time I
>> was working with weights. ?And those muscles have been developing too.
>> I am so amazed the effects work as quickly as they do, and without any
>> side effects according to what I am reading. ?At least other than
>> addiction.
>
>> I would actually recommend if you want to try the mthoxy products you
>> only take them on days you want to exercise anyway, vecause they work
>> so fast. ?And they still are supposed to build muscle and burn fat aall
>> the time they are in your system. ?But it would be such a waste to use
>> them and not exercise, because it is completely effortless. ?It is no
>> wonder they banned this drug from sports last year. ?And I imagine it
>> won't be long before the FDA steps in and makes them a prescription.
>
>> I will be trying the zinc and magnesium too, and report on that. ?And I
>> am just so happy with the products from this company I am going to try
>> other miracle pills they sell to help mental wellness and brain
>> functioning. ?The pills costed $30 for a 4 month supply, and they have
>> good pills for women to take too.
>
>> Just thought you all would be interested in how well I am doing today!I changed my mind about this pill!!! I would advice everyone not to
> ever take it. This is crazy. I just talked to the man on the phone
> and he advised me that it was a natural suppliment with amino acids and
> protiens that helped the body synthesize energy But I am reading on
> other websites like EroWind.org that the drug gets mixed with a lot of
> other things and is now illegal since 2001. The man told me he was in
> the US and sold this stuff to people all day long, and bodybuilding.com
> is open and promoting the use of these drugs. He insisted to me that
> they were legal, and told me the websites I was reading were all just
> wrong and crazy, and that what he was selling was a legal over the
> counter non-prescription aid for bodybuilders. But why am I reading
> otherwise on other sites?
>
> After the workout I did the thought occured to me that the drug was
> called methoxy, and had the words meth and oxy together. So I googled
> for stuff about if it was illegal and found erowind saying it was an
> awful drug. But when you just google methoxy, you can buy the pill on
> countless websites legally, even on amazon.com.. So I don't know why
> erowind says its illegal.
>
> I told him I was going to return the pills, because I've only taken
> one. But I am going to wait until tomorrow or the next day to see how
> I feel after all of this excesive exercise. I don't even feel tired,
> or soar, and am all wound up now. Although I think I could go to bed
> and get some sleep. It is really scary, because the website makes it
> sound like it is an all natural way to synthesize the bodies natural
> powers. And they lie and say it is illegal.
>
> motherfucker. What should I do? I don't even know if it is illegal!- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
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