> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:52:24 -0700 (PDT), "J.P. \"Julian
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> Sebastian\" Bacchae" gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Jun 16, 10:08=A0am, dh@. wrote:

>>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:11:13 -0700 (PDT), Janine Starscream

>>@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>On Jun 12, 1:16=A0pm, dh@. wrote:

>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "J.P. \"Julian Sebastian\" B=

>>acchae" gmail.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>On Jun 9, 7:48=A0pm, dh@. wrote:

>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:58:06 -0700 (PDT), Janine Starscream

>>aa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>On Jun 5, 11:59=A0am, dh@. wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 00:16:58 -0700 (PDT), "J.P. \"Julian Sebastia=

>>n\" Bacchae" gmail.com> wrote:

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>>>>>>>>>>On Jun 4, 7:14 am, dh@. wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 He believes what he wants when he wants, and changes
>>>>>>>>>>> his beliefs to suite whatever he wants to believe at the time=

>>,

>>>>>>>>>>> or at least he tries to give that impression. There was a tim=

>>e

>>>>>>>>>>> when he claimed to believe individuals could have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>> lives, but the last time we discussed it he denied it. There'=

>>s

>>>>>>>>>>> no telling what he would say about it by now. There were
>>>>>>>>>>> times when he insisted nothing with any intelligence had
>>>>>>>>>>> anything to do with the development of the universe, or
>>>>>>>>>>> life itself, and then later acted as if he thought there coul=

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>>>>>>>>>>> have been or something like that. He doesn't really know
>>>>>>>>>>> what to think, so...

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>>>>>>>>>>I've been experimenting with that method of (dis(cordian))organ=

>>ized

>>>>>>>>>>thinking, just to get a feel for each and every kind of fanatic=

>>ism

>>>>>>>>>>available on the planet right now, with the exception of debase=

>>d Islam

>>>>>>>>>>for personal reasons, as a means to gain a wider perspective on=

>> the

>>>>>>>>>>whole suprapsychology of religious and non-religious thinking
>>>>>>>>>>patterns. Everybody has the option of doing that, but without
>>>>>>>>>>interplay, or ugh, synergy, between the altered veiw points it'=

>>s just

>>>>>>>>>>being wishy washy.

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>>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 He appears to have a very hard time making connections
>>>>>>>>> and tying things together in general even though he is trying
>>>>>>>>> to blame religion for encouraging child abuse somehow.

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>>>>>>>>People get religious at times, even about non-religious subjects. =

>>If

>>>>>>>>Rev. Suzy the Floozy was correct about this, the word religion
>>>>>>>>essentially means to bind, or was it to be bound again? Now
>>>>>>>>occassionally getting bound up can be fun: getting bound up in a
>>>>>>>>fruitful activity, getting bound up in sexual pleasure (many meani=

>>ngs

>>>>>>>>for that one, hehe), getting bound up in an adventure, but it can =

>>also

>>>>>>>>mean being bound up in servitude, bound up in a parasitic idea, be=

>>ing

>>>>>>>>bound up in disgusting degeneracy which is, regardless if you view
>>>>>>>>them as emotional patterns or shiny hell creatures, rather daimoni=

>>c.

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>>>>>>>>Many sexual-negative faiths, the overly dogmatized ones, do indeed
>>>>>>>>encourage members towards perversion

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>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 What kind?

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>>>>>>>>if they restrict healthy
>>>>>>>>consensual conscious activities to procreation only policies (what=

>> a

>>>>>>>>waste of time that is, and overpopulating!) or create matrices of
>>>>>>>>guilt and penance on essentially naturale animal activities that
>>>>>>>>release tension in evolution/design (one can see it either/or/both
>>>>>>>>ways) foundation approved fashions (but not cultural taboos, usual=

>>ly).

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>>>>>>>>>>I consider majikal progress partially a collage of the many for=

>>ces/

>>>>>>>>>>intelligences (i figure now it depends on the scope of definiti=

>>ons any

>>>>>>>>>>observer has as the limiting factors on how THAT comes out)

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>>>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 Like what might make it actually work, if it does?

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>>>>>>>>Could you specify by what you mean by "it", please? :)

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>>>>>>> =A0 =A0 The supposedly majikal progresss.

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>>>>>>>>I don't want to
>>>>>>>>go on a tangent if it's based on a misunderstanding of the subject=

>>. By

>>>>>>>>Gods Inc. that happens way too much anyway, oy.

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>>>>>>>>> to equivalent exchange,

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>>>>>>>>Of what? you ask... everything... all interactions at all times
>>>>>>>>forever and ever amen... ala The Art of Shen Ku (which imho is ver=

>>y

>>>>>>>>effective)

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>>>>>>>>But religious hocus pocus aside, it comes down to what form of jus=

>>tice

>>>>>>>>doesn't penalize personal quirks, opens up the world to creativity=

>>,

>>>>>>>>quashes fundamentalism, and in general takes the darkness by the n=

>>eck

>>>>>>>>and screams the terrorgrammtron in it's face so loud it either die=

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>>>>>>>>forever or transmutes into something that isn't going to parasitiz=

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>>>>>>>>existence forever.

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>>>>>>>>It also has quite a bit to do with ecology, and the earth's consci=

>>ous

>>>>>>>>punishment of man for it's inequity to everything, including man. =

>>I

>>>>>>>>don't want to sound too militant about it, because without an easy
>>>>>>>>relaxed attitude this perspective too could become quite a
>>>>>>>>fundamentalism (it already has in some circles unfortunately). I
>>>>>>>>consider it my duty to assist with the earths immune response.

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>>>>>>>>Help the Goddess out and she makes life real easy... It's better t=

>>han

>>>>>>>>working with asinine demons thats for Dame sure.

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>>>>>>no, not at all. i'm a second-guessing luciferian is what i am/trying
>>>>>>not to be, and probably a homonculus to boot. I'm working through the
>>>>>>issues that creates.

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>>>>>>i would prefer to be a zeal-crazed love priest of YHWH if i could eve=

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>>>>>>figure out just who he actually is.

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>>>>> =A0 =A0 If you ever do, it's not likely to happen before you're dead.

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>>>>>>I find the pagan god/desses to be
>>>>>>attractive, but somewhat mentally disturbed, and that rubs off on me
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>>>>something like a manifestation of my personal perception of my eternal
>>>>Overself.

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>>> =A0 =A0 What do you think your Overself is, and how do you think it
>>> can be eternal?

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>>Overself should be the sum total manifestation of a continued
>>existence across experience. Much like the Overman in 2001. It is on
>>one level the me at the end of my life, on another the living
>>continuum I exist "within", and on another the completed manifestation
>>of Eternity. To participate in that element of eternal return of the
>>same and different I submit to my Overwill, which is repentence of
>>seeking complete independence from my source, which is in essence my
>>Eternal Self and a return to Genuine Love. This is done as a leap of
>>faith, and perhaps you might see it as my attempt to reconcile with
>>God/dess. Perhaps that is accurate, it's just a linguistically shaped
>>model, but the map can be the territory in an Infinite Game.

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>>Now on another level there is no real distinction between one and the
>>other, because all is Unity. Perception creates an artificial
>>distinction of various degrees because in percieved existence there is
>>"other" and various "elements separate" within. This is also good
>>because even with Unity there is still manifestation on most
>>experienced levels and interaction with the Unity under a different
>>sense permits both Union and Participation within the Godhead, which
>>is everything.

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>>I won't lie, I am a slack mystic/wizard so bear with me if any of that
>>could be written better, I make mistakes from "time" to "time".

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> yeah.. sounds mumbo jumboish... work on it...
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