Re: Belief's Role in Perception/Learning (was Re: Tabula Rasa Fallacy
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Re: Belief's Role in Perception/Learning (was Re: Tabula Rasa Fallacy         

Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: Executive Function
Date: Jun 18, 2008 01:14

On 18 Jun, 00:12, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> "Executive Function" hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Even living in the moment, we sometimes find we have selective
>> attention.
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> One trains one's attention.

Sure - but go back to the horse with blinkers on analogy. If the
horse has always had blinkers on he doesn't realise that his vision
has the potential for broader scope if he could just get the blinkers
off. The horse is an animal, and he isn't thinking about his
forthcoming oats, or last nights grooming. He's just trotting down
the road paying attention, in the moment, unaware of his blinkers.
Being in the moment is the easy part of practise. Any child can learn
Zazen. Being *totally* in the moment, all the time, requires a whole
person response - body, mind, emotions, all aspects available, present
and correct to respond appropriately with Right Mind, Right Speech,
etc etc in the moment.
>> If you can't forgive yourself (and everyone else) in the moment and
>> feel that release in your heart, well - no-one takes thier dirty
>> laundary with them to the "awakened state" unless by extreme
>> disassociation and an equally extreme reaction from the universe
>> following that.
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> Too complicated.  You're trying too hard to be intelligent about it.  This
> is a very simple thing.  It requires no cleverness at all.

To be in the moment does not require cleverness. To be totally in the
moment requires work (find the blinkers, what's *really* going on
here?) and intellect has it's work to do
> Compassion is not forgiveness or mercy any more than repentance is the
> awakened state.

No - but they come in the same sweetie bag.
>> When forgiveness is in the moment, it's not a case of
>> trawling over past misdeeds in excrutiating detail.
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> Repentance is not forgiveness either.  Where forgiveness begins, repentance
> ends.

Ok - I see what you mean by that. Can repentance be genuine though,
if someone does not hold themselves open to the potential of
forgiveness? Munindo often says that when we screw up we shouldn't
turn away from our bad feelings, but take the time to really *feel*
them, just see how deep they go, how much suffering is there, (in the
moment) because that way we can learn by the experience. We take it
on board that we've done something we regret and we repent of it by
*really* taking it in and accepting responsibility for our actions -
not justifying our actions to ourselves, or sidestepping the issues or
distracting ourselves and storing up pain behind a screen. And then -
as you say - forgiveness begins when we see how things truely are, and
we learn. If there was no potential for forgiveness, or if we've
closed the door on the idea of ever forgiving others, or ourselves,
thinking that we are not worthy of such grace as the universe offers
us, then how can we really seek repentance?
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