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Re: Bad language, swearing, disrespect in this group

Group: alt.magick · Group Profile
Author: The Speaking Clock
Date: Apr 8, 2008 09:54

On 7 Apr, 17:45, Joseph Littleshoes isp.com> wrote:

> The Speaking Clock wrote:

>>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

>>>Have a nice day:)
>>>--
>>>JL

>> Hello Joseph,

>> I hope you're having a nice day today too. Right now, right here, the
>> birds have been up for several hours, but they're still chirping to
>> each other in the sheer excitement of seeing a new day. A dove coo'es
>> softy from the almond tree and swoops past the roses. Far away before
>> the impressive backdrop of the distant mountains a lonely hawk hovers
>> on the breeze, and the sun gently kisses the earth with warmth and
>> light.

>> Sitting here with my coffee, I remembered that in another thread you'd
>> referred to Erwins justification for dropping ego bait across the
>> board. This isn't ego bait btw - it's just an honest question to you
>> motivated by honest curiosity about why you seem to eat the cookies
>> when you know what they are? What's your analysis?

>
> Im not sure i understand your question, i gave up speaking directly to
> Edwina and Tommy boy a while ago, placed a filter on them and yet
> occasionally i still see a response by other people to them, and often
> as not, sitting with morning coffee, gazing across the parklands in the
> early morning glow of the rising sun, i find an amusing retort to their
> pretentious nonsense ready to hand, as its "to hand" its easy enough to
> type out.
>
> If you are familiar with our alt.magick history then you should be aware
> that i don't necessarily disagree with some of what they say, but most
> often disagree with how they say it, and above and beyond that, i am
> highly amused by their insistence on the orthodoxy of their personal and
> highly subjective OPINIONS that they cant seem to see are only
> unverifiable OPINIONS, and which they denigrate any disagreement of with
> null content pornographic verbiage.
>
> Its something to do with morning coffee.
>
> And to be more specific, i have tried to engage both of them in civil
> discourse about subjects they have commented on, subjects which, by
> their very nature are unverifiable, subjective and can only have an
> opinion of them stated as they are not subject to demonstrable,
> verifiable proof. Any disagreement with their self imposed orthodoxy
> invariably results in being compared to either an anatomical orifice or
> it functions, often both, this has resulted in my considering their
> opinions less than informative and mostly a mere vehicle for their
> nihilism and cynical delight in the "attack mode" both are rude beyond
> belief, routinely engage in the particularistic fallacy and apparently
> don't even see their own shortcomings, indeed, if they did, i would
> expect a different display of what passes for a personality from them.
> --
> JL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I feel I should apologise Joseph. When you posted this I wrote a very
long reply to it, but then before I posted it I went back and read
your post again, and found that I had misinterpreted and misunderstood
what you had written - completely. So I threw my hands in the air,
and glared at your post for a while (and of course this wasn't your
fault), but for a while I blamed you for my misunderstanding. And
whilst blaming you for my own lack of perception and clarity, I
started thinking - hey, this guy couldn't recognize his ego if he
tripped over it. There is just no point talking any further to him,
it's just a waste of time, and you know what - Tom and Erwin and the
rest of the gang were right.

These were the thoughts that went through my head for a time, but
after some reflection I realise, and I hope you do, that these
thoughts were very silly, because if I'd been paying proper attention
I would have read your post properly, and if I'd been paying attention
I should have been asking myself what I was exasperated at, but
instead I compounded the error by writing that piece of nonsense
above, which was insulting to you and also to me. Well - this is why
I'm apologising and facing up the consequences of not paying
attention, and saying to you 'Lo Siento', which is Spanish for I'm
sorry, but the exact translation means - 'I feel it.'

The fact is, I understand what Erwin and Tom are trying to do when
they make hurtful remarks to others. In spiritual practise there is a
place for understanding how we misunderstand how things really are,
and we stumble, and whether that is from our own distraction or
because Erwin stuck a foot out as we are passing by it doesn't really
matter, because both can be useful if at some point we stop and take
some time for reflection. I don't see Tom and Erwins more unsubtle
methods are the only way or even the best, but that's a matter for
them. It's just thier style.

I came across two great mp3 dharma talks today that helped with these
reflections. The first one is called 'Addressing Antisocial
Behaviour', and the second is called 'Manners Maketh the Man'. I hope
you find them palatable with your morning coffee. :)

Formerly,

TSC

http://www3.dhammatalks.org.uk/ratanagiri/vol7/23_Addressing_Antisocial_Behaviour_2...

http://www3.dhammatalks.org.uk/ratanagiri/vol7/27_Manners_Maketh_the_Man_21-10-2007...

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