On Aug 15, 1:44 pm, Meltdarok
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>> On Aug 14, 2:30 pm, Meltdarok
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>>>> On Aug 14, 12:48 pm, Meltdarok
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>>>>>> On Aug 13, 9:43 pm, Nevermore
thestake.net> wrote:>>>>>>>> From: "msjet....@
aol.com vicki"
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>>>>>>>> Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.religion.wicca,alt.clearing.avatar,alt.
>>>>>>>> magic,alt.recovery.adult-children Subject: Re: Angels & Demons Date:
>>>>>>>> Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:24:42 -0000 Organization:http://groups.google.com
>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 1:59 am, athair ambrois globe.net.nz> wrote:>>>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 1:16 pm, CoreyWhite
gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>> I'm starting to believe there are Angel's & Demons out on the
>>>>>>>>>> streets in this world.
>>>>>>>>> There sure are.
>>>>>>>> Genesis 28:10-15
>>>>>>>> Then Jacob departed from Beersheba and went toward Haran. He came to a
>>>>>>>> certain place and spent the night there, because the sun had set; and
>>>>>>>> he took one of the stones of the place and put it under his head, and
>>>>>>>> lay down in that place.
>>>>>>>> And he had a dream, and behold, a ladder was set on the earth with its
>>>>>>>> top reaching to heaven, and behold
>>>>>>>> The angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
>>>>>>>> And behold , the Lord stood above it and said, "*I Am* - the Lord, the
>>>>>>>> God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac; the land on which you
>>>>>>>> lie, I Am - will give it to you and to your descendants.
>>>>>>>> Your descendants shall also be like the dust of the earth and you
>>>>>>>> shall spread out to the west and to the east and to the north and to
>>>>>>>> the south;
>>>>>>>> And in you and in your descendants shall all the families of the earth
>>>>>>>> be blessed.
>>>>>>>> And behold, I Am - with you, and will keep you wherever you go, and
>>>>>>>> will bring you back to this land; for I Am - will not leave you
>>>>>>>> until I Am - have done what I Am - have promised you...
>>>>>>>> (Israel, forever). Amen.
>>>>>>> So what - exactly - is the point of that whole story? The angels don't
>>>>>>> seem to be doing a lot more than running up and down a ladder. At least
>>>>>>> in Donkey Kong when Mario did that he got his girlfriend back from the
>>>>>>> gorilla.
>>>>>> It means that that particular site is an ancient burial mound.
>>>>> It means an Archetype, or template for communion with the Prime Infinity
>>>>> (G_D).
>>>>> Within everyone's own consciousness, is a niche where we can access
>>>>> the Whole. For Jacob (or the author), angels were the main representation
>>>>> of the Prime Infinity at the time. For me (as an example), the main
>>>>> representation of the Prime Infinity, is a thermonuclear fueled star.
>>>>> Yet, I too feel the Joy when She shines Her Countenance upon me. 0[;)
>>>> So... Jacob thought like a modern person and was considering "Prime
>>>> Infinity" and "Archetypes" when he was travelling through Bathsheba,
>>>> like any good Proto-Jew? "Gosh," he was thinking " I'm so happy that
>>>> I have a concept of infinity and prime numbers, even though I can
>>>> barely add.. And Archetypes! I'm so glad that Jung invented that
>>>> time machine and took the time to learn how to speak whatever form of
>>>> proto-Semetic (if indeed that's what I'm speaking) so he could explain
>>>> to me his theory! I guess I'll go to sleep now in this random area
>>>> and have an inspired dream!"
>>> That is silly. And the "Prime" refers to the fact that even though there
>>> are many universes in existence, there is only *one* ground and basis,
>>> hence the "Prime".
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>> It *is* extremely silly. It's the logical extension of your _a priori_
>> reasoning: that these legendary shepherd nomads thought about the
>> nature of things the way you do: in a twenty-first century, pampered,
>> quasi-mystical fashion. I hope it helped point out to you the
>> absurdity of your speculations.
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> That is pure crap. I never said that, that is your putting words in my
> "mouth."
Really? You forgot your own words?
>>It means an Archetype, or template for communion with the Prime Infinity
>> (G_D). Within everyone's own consciousness, is a niche where we can access
>> the Whole. For Jacob (or the author), angels were the main representation
>> of the Prime Infinity at the time.
>>That is silly. And the "Prime" refers to the fact that even though there
>> are many universes in existence, there is only *one* ground and basis,
>> hence the "Prime".
There you go. I found 'archetype', 'many universes', and 'infinity',
all concepts that would not be within the mind of an ancient. If you
understand the ancients as much as you claim, how come you couch their
motives in *your* jargon, using Capital Letters To Denote Importance?
>>> My views are after I have contemplated the "clues" left behind by the
>>> ancients--including the Hebrew people.
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>> Oh, "clues" left behind by "ancients". That makes so much sense!
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> I know it does sweetie pie.
Errr.. no it doesn't. If you possess a knowledge that you wish to
transmit, like Gautama Siddhartha did, you write it (or have it
written down) very clearly, you write many copies, and you make sure
that your disciples are on the same page as you are. Even if your
message goes under permutations, like his did, there's still the
original message waiting for all to understand.
Your "clues left behind by the ancients" methods invites fools to
extrapolate meanings based on their own guessworks.
