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Author: whyzardwhyzard Date: Sep 17, 2008 01:09
works in a society with lots of plants
the world heating up like it is with many species of plants vanishing
since the ice age finally receded, plant based pharmaceuticals no
longer became viable
current research into ancient and medieval or primitive recipes and
medicines is revealin startling medicinal qualities in many plant
combinations
unfortunately, modern science can only understand plant properties if
they can isolate the active compounds
minus good luck, they are stuck with plants with many active compounds
with unknown properties they don't know how to test for and detect
also too plants changes chemical properties over time so many ancient
recipes just don't work today and we just don't know which plants the
ancients or primitives actually used
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 18, 2008 22:03
> works in a society with lots of plants
> the world heating up like it is with many species of plants vanishing
> since the ice age finally receded, plant based pharmaceuticals no
> longer became viable
> current research into ancient and medieval or primitive recipes and
> medicines is revealin startling medicinal qualities in many plant
> combinations
> unfortunately, modern science can only understand plant properties if
> they can isolate the active compounds
> minus good luck, they are stuck with plants with many active compounds
> with unknown properties they don't know how to test for and detect
> also too plants changes chemical properties over time so many ancient
> recipes just don't work today and we just don't know which plants the
> ancients or primitives...
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Author: paulhumepaulhume Date: Sep 19, 2008 05:12
> But yes, your point well taken. I've collected Amanita Muscaria in my
> neck of Ozark woods, and while tasty, they dont have the psychedelic
> power of those imported from other regions. I've also seen pscilocybin
> fungi here, but they also have no psychotropic powers.
>
> Acid rain and pollution has changed the soils, and so plants and fungi
> do not necessarily have the same effect as the record suggests.
Mushrooms ae notoriously sensitive to local conditions. A delicacy in
one region is poisonous in another, and as you observe, psychedelic
(and/or toxic) ones in the Southwest lack those alkaloids in the
Southeast.
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Date: Sep 19, 2008 08:16
>> works in a society with lots of plants
>> the world heating up like it is with many species of plants vanishing
>> since the ice age finally receded, plant based pharmaceuticals no
>> longer became viable
>> current research into ancient and medieval or primitive recipes and
>> medicines is revealin startling medicinal qualities in many plant
>> combinations
>> unfortunately, modern science can only understand plant properties if
>> they can isolate the active compounds
>> minus good luck, they are stuck with plants with many active compounds
>> with unknown properties they don't know how to test for and detect
>> also too plants changes chemical properties over time so many ancient
>> recipes just don't work today and we just don't know which plants the
>> ancients or primitives actually used
> Well actually, we do know something. Modern forensic tools have been
> brought into obscure East European museums to look for plant resins and
> pollens in ancient pots. There are some clues as to what Transylvanian ...
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Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:00
Edadh is a symbol for altered states of consciousness and awareness:
From eDIL( http://tinyurl.com/53oczj):
"ibine . . . arroichled iarom edhad as co nderna ibne de an `i' has been
taken from it , Corm. Y 1301 (see edad). is deamna rom aircellsat leo `it
was demons that spirited me away with them ', Todd Nenn. 210.5 . "
Call out to the gods and you will be "spirited away by demons" or, more
practically, you will experience altered states of consciousness.
Edadh is seen as being "brother to birch" because the birch tree (Beith) and
its own kenning is seen as a metaphor for the struggles of being born and
coming into this life in a physical way. It is the battle for life. It is
the white tree above the once blacked soil of the fires. Conversely, being
"birched" is one of the eight-fold-ways that some esoteric practices use to
alter states of awareness. The use of drugs is another
If one looks at Ogham as a sequence in states of consciousness, here are
some insights I use in my own work based on the Ogham-Druidic kennings for
the vowels:
A (Ailm) - "First and the Last" - the birth of awareness (i.e. child
luminosity, "A
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Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:01
Edadh is a symbol for altered states of consciousness and awareness:
From eDIL( http://tinyurl.com/53oczj):
"ibine . . . arroichled iarom edhad as co nderna ibne de an `i' has been
taken from it , Corm. Y 1301 (see edad). is deamna rom aircellsat leo `it
was demons that spirited me away with them ', Todd Nenn. 210.5 . "
Call out to the gods and you will be "spirited away by demons" or, more
practically, you will experience altered states of consciousness.
Edadh is seen as being "brother to birch" because the birch tree (Beith) and
its own kenning is seen as a metaphor for the struggles of being born and
coming into this life in a physical way. It is the battle for life. It is
the white tree above the once blacked soil of the fires. Conversely, being
"birched" is one of the eight-fold-ways that some esoteric practices use to
alter states of awareness. The use of drugs is another
If one looks at Ogham as a sequence in states of consciousness, here are
some insights I use in my own work based on the Ogham-Druidic kennings for
the vowels:
A (Ailm) - "First and the Last" - the birth of awareness (i.e. child
luminosity, "A
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Author: 1X2Willows1X2Willows Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:16
"Searles O'Dubhain" wrote
> [....]
> Call out to the gods and you will be "spirited away by demons" or, more
> practically, you will experience altered states of consciousness.
Glad you make that distinction because the text is undoubtedly xtian.
> Conversely, being "birched" is one of the eight-fold-ways that some
> esoteric practices use to alter states of awareness. The use of drugs
> is another
- which can be one and the same, provided we'd call birch sap a "drug"
in the medicinal sense. Quite potent stuff, depending on...
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Author: 1X2Willows1X2Willows Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:27
"1X2Willows" wrote
> "Searles O'Dubhain" wrote
>> [....]
>> Conversely, being "birched" is one of the eight-fold-ways that some
>> esoteric practices use to alter states of awareness. The use of drugs
>> is another
>
> - which can be one and the same, provided we'd call birch sap a "drug"
> in the medicinal sense. Quite potent stuff, depending on...
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Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:44
Weird that it posted twice. This is what comes from having one's ISP
"protect" one's email and news servers. :-(
Searles
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Date: Sep 19, 2008 10:36
> "1X2Willows" wrote
>> "Searles O'Dubhain" wrote
>>> [....]
>>> Conversely, being "birched" is one of the eight-fold-ways that some
>>> esoteric practices use to alter states of awareness. The use of drugs
>>> is another
>>
>> - which can be one and the same, provided we'd call birch sap a "drug"
>> in the medicinal sense. Quite potent stuff, depending on...
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