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Author: ChadeChade Date: Jan 4, 2008 10:35
....very quiet apart from the spam.
This is one technique that I've seen used on other newsgroups to
generate good on-topic discussions in similar situations.
A group selects a relevant text then goes through it. Each week in
turn, a different member of the group posts a brief summery of the
next chapter or section and a few comments on the ideas and themes
raised. Then anyone who wants to can reply, commenting on the book so
far, the summary or the analysis. If the threads are 'tagged', given a
clear identifier in the subject line, they stand out amongst the spam.
If another couple of alt.magick regs are interested in reading, or re-
reading, a book and posting a chapter summary with comments we can run
a pilot and see how it goes.
I think the first text should be a good, relatively short,
approachable modern text that is widely applicable. So my suggestion
is 'Cutting through Spiritual Materialism' (Chogyam Trungpa, Shambhala
Publishing) but I'm willing to be out voted in favor of another.
Are there a couple of alt.magick regs interested in taking a turn
posting a chapter summary with comments for this, or another, text?
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Author: Robert Scott MartinRobert Scott Martin Date: Jan 4, 2008 12:44
>I think the first text should be a good, relatively short,
>approachable modern text that is widely applicable. So my suggestion
>is 'Cutting through Spiritual Materialism' (Chogyam Trungpa, Shambhala
>Publishing) but I'm willing to be out voted in favor of another.
Good idea. How about anything universally available for those within sight
of the newsgroup, i.e. from hermetic.com, sacred-texts.com,
alchemywebsite.com or esotericarchives.com?
These tend to have the added advantage of being even shorter, allowing for
close reading.
My time is limited over the next few weeks; otherwise I would simply start
with Trithemius' "Seven Secondary Intelligences." If anyone else wanted to
use a different text, nothing stopping the formation of TWO threads.
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Author: TomTom Date: Jan 4, 2008 13:10
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> I think the first text should be a good, relatively short,
> approachable modern text that is widely applicable. So my suggestion
> is 'Cutting through Spiritual Materialism' (Chogyam Trungpa, Shambhala
> Publishing) but I'm willing to be out voted in favor of another.
>
> Are there a couple of alt.magick regs interested in taking a turn
> posting a chapter summary with comments for this, or another, text?
As you know, this is a book that heads my "most recommended" list.
See the upcoming thread I'm titling "Cutting Through".
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Author: KisaiKisai Date: Jan 5, 2008 12:04
On Jan 4, 12:35 pm, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:> ....very quiet apart from the spam.
>
> This is one technique that I've seen used on other newsgroups to
> generate good on-topic discussions in similar situations.
>
> A group selects a relevant text then goes through it. Each week in
> turn, a different member of the group posts a brief summery of the
> next chapter or section and a few comments on the ideas and themes
> raised. Then anyone who wants to can reply, commenting on the book so
> far, the summary or the analysis. If the threads are 'tagged', given a
> clear identifier in the subject line, they stand out amongst the spam.
>
> If another couple of alt.magick regs are interested in reading, or re-
> reading, a book and posting a chapter summary with comments we can run
> a pilot and see how it goes.
>
> I think the first text should be a good, relatively short,
> approachable modern text that is widely applicable. So my suggestion
> is 'Cutting through Spiritual Materialism' (Chogyam Trungpa, Shambhala ...
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Author: BrettBrett Date: Jan 5, 2008 13:18
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:04:43 -0800 (PST), Kisai
gmail.com> muttered intensely:
>> Are there a couple of alt.magick regs interested in taking a turn
>> posting a chapter summary with comments for this, or another, text?
>
>
>I would prefer books that advocate magical work, not Western Buddhism.
I would suggest that you simply read what is offered here and
contemplate how it does or does not fit in with what you are
attempting to do with your magickal work.
If it has no meaning to you, then no harm is done.
>All those who study and practice magick should study Buddhism and
>practice meditation, but the paths bifurcate. If one is truly serious
>about Buddhism, by all means, become a monk. If one is truly serious
>about practicing magic, by all means, practice magic.
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Author: ChadeChade Date: Jan 5, 2008 13:30
On 4 Jan, 22:24, Absorbed hotmail.com> wrote:> Chade wrote:
>> Are there a couple of alt.magick regs interested in taking a turn
>> posting a chapter summary with comments for this, or another, text?
>
> Nice idea. There were a few things in 'Cutting through Spiritual
> Materialism' that I found hard to relate to myself. The specifics
> concerning how the monkey can develop and destroy its illusionary cage
> (or whatever it was) sticks out as an example.
>
> I think "Magick in Theory and Practice" would also be a good book. I've
> read that several times and I still wonder if various things could be
> interpreted differently or even whether they is a sensible
> interpretation at all. The whole bit where Crowley claims to be the
> reincarnation of Levi is a good example.
>
If we can successfully pilot the scheme with a couple of shorter
books
then we can give it a bash.
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Author: ChadeChade Date: Jan 5, 2008 13:35
On 5 Jan, 20:04, Kisai gmail.com> wrote:> On Jan 4, 12:35 pm, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> ....very quiet apart from the spam.
>
>> This is one technique that I've seen used on other newsgroups to
>> generate good on-topic discussions in similar situations.
>
>> A group selects a relevant text then goes through it. Each week in
>> turn, a different member of the group posts a brief summery of the
>> next chapter or section and a few comments on the ideas and themes
>> raised. Then anyone who wants to can reply, commenting on the book so
>> far, the summary or the analysis. If the threads are 'tagged', given a
>> clear identifier in the subject line, they stand out amongst the spam.
>
>> If another couple of alt.magick regs are interested in reading, or re-
>> reading, a book and posting a chapter summary with comments we can run
>> a pilot and see how it goes. ...
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Jan 5, 2008 17:33
Kisai wrote:
> On Jan 4, 12:35 pm, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:>> ....very quiet apart from the spam.
>>
>> This is one technique that I've seen used on other newsgroups to
>> generate good on-topic discussions in similar situations.
>>
>> A group selects a relevant text then goes through it. Each week in
>> turn, a different member of the group posts a brief summery of the
>> next chapter or section and a few comments on the ideas and themes
>> raised. Then anyone who wants to can reply, commenting on the book so
>> far, the summary or the analysis. If the threads are 'tagged', given a
>> clear identifier in the subject line, they stand out amongst the spam.
>>
>> If another couple of alt.magick regs are interested in reading, or re-
>> reading, a book and posting a chapter summary with comments we can run
>> a pilot and see how it goes.
>>
>> I think the first text should be a good, relatively short,
>> approachable modern text that is widely applicable. So my suggestion ...
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Author: AbsorbedAbsorbed Date: Jan 5, 2008 17:52
Chade wrote:
> I'm not convinced that any newsgroup can be kept dynamic for very long
> by just one poster starting threads. I may be wrong though.
You're probably right. Still, the lack of people to create on-topic
threads regularly was a problem before I arrived, probably.
> Time was we had a constant stream of newbies asking questions, plus a
> couple of regs with a fairly superstitious view of magick. Usenet is
> out of fashion now unfortunately. I've started work on a website to
> showcase the a.m. archive and explain usenet to newbies but it will be
> some weeks before I can spend enough time on it to get it ready to go
> live.
I expect that those who aren't going to change their beliefs but aren't
mentally ill or extremely neurotic disappeared. They can't stand the
fire so they sensibly get out of the kitchen. The "Mark" who appeared a
little while ago and how he was met and subsequently left is a good
example. The result is that alt.magick is left with the mentally ill and
those who welcome iconoclastic questioning of their every belief.
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Author: MelkorMelkor Date: Jan 5, 2008 18:50
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:33:18 +0000, Absorbed hotmail.com> wrote:
>Kisai wrote:
>> On Jan 4, 12:35 pm, Chade newsguy.com> wrote:>>> ....very quiet apart from the spam.
>>>
>>> This is one technique that I've seen used on other newsgroups to
>>> generate good...
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