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Author: Soror MEI
Date: Mar 4, 2008 14:29

Hello everyone.

I recently joined the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn found at
www.golden-dawn.com and I am still wading through the proces of being
new.

I feel like I have been given an insufficient explanation with regards
to the material that I was supposed to receive. I was assigned a
tutor but I was also told that I shouldn't bother him with questions
and should rather post them on the Order's forum.

I am getting quite fustrated as I have been given a list of rituals to
do and practice (which I am) and yet I understand no theory on where
these things come from or why we do them. What is the consequence and
what are we supposed to achieve. I am an accomplished psychic and have
my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
years, and I know what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?

I joined this Order to have questions answered and I feel more
confused. I posted this same message on the member's forum, but I
haven't gotten any real answers yet. After reading some of the posts
on here I wonder if others haven't had the same problems?
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Author: Zee Doktor
Date: Mar 4, 2008 15:34

On Mar 4, 5:29 pm, Soror MEI yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I recently joined the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn found atwww.golden-dawn.comand I am still wading through the proces of being
> new.
>
> I feel like I have been given an insufficient explanation with regards
> to the material that I was supposed to receive.  I was assigned a
> tutor but I was  also told that I shouldn't bother him with questions
> and should rather post them on the Order's forum.
>
> I am getting quite fustrated as I have been given a list of rituals to
> do and practice (which I am) and yet I understand no theory on where
> these things come from or why we do them. What is the consequence and
> what are we supposed to achieve. I am an accomplished psychic and have
> my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
> years, and I know  what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
> life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?
>
> I joined this Order to have questions answered and I feel more ...
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Author: darthdraconis
Date: Mar 5, 2008 00:16

On 4 Mrz., 17:29, Soror MEI yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I recently joined the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn found atwww.golden-dawn.comand I am still wading through the proces of being
> new.
>
> I feel like I have been given an insufficient explanation with regards
> to the material that I was supposed to receive. I was assigned a
> tutor but I was also told that I shouldn't bother him with questions
> and should rather post them on the Order's forum.
>
> I am getting quite fustrated as I have been given a list of rituals to
> do and practice (which I am) and yet I understand no theory on where
> these things come from or why we do them. What is the consequence and
> what are we supposed to achieve. I am an accomplished psychic and have
> my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
> years, and I know what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
> life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?
>
> I joined this Order to have questions answered and I feel more ...
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Author: The Speaking Clock
Date: Mar 22, 2008 08:02

On 4 Mar, 23:29, Soror MEI yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I recently joined the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn found atwww.golden-dawn.comand I am still wading through the proces of being
> new.
>
> I feel like I have been given an insufficient explanation with regards
> to the material that I was supposed to receive.  I was assigned a
> tutor but I was  also told that I shouldn't bother him with questions
> and should rather post them on the Order's forum.
>
> I am getting quite fustrated as I have been given a list of rituals to
> do and practice (which I am) and yet I understand no theory on where
> these things come from or why we do them. What is the consequence and
> what are we supposed to achieve. I am an accomplished psychic and have
> my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
> years, and I know  what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
> life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?
>
> I joined this Order to have questions answered and I feel more ...
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Author: Tom
Date: Mar 22, 2008 09:02

"The Speaking Clock" live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cc999e5e-240a-41a4-af51-b868e7c7c42f@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> There seems to be two distinct types of GD people. Cat people and Dog
> people. :)

Actually, it appears that the "cat people" and the "dog people" are both the
bizarrely distorted inventions of a single person with some serious mental
and emotional challenges.

However, he asks, while speaking as one of his fictional personas, a very
good question.

"I am an accomplished psychic and have
my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
years, and I know what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?"

This poignant dilemma is one facing many people who are attracted to
organized groups practicing magick. What has attracted them is the hope of
increased psychic power and increased personal respect, even deference, from
those who previously had seemed so intimidating.
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Author: Joseph Littleshoes
Date: Mar 22, 2008 10:36

> On 4 Mar, 23:29, Soror MEI yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>>
>> Can anyone tell me what we are trying to achieve in this Order?

Well......thats a matter of who you talk to...officially..."The stated
purpose of the Golden Dawn was to aid its members to test, purify and
exalt the individual's spiritual nature so as to unify it with his or
her Holy Guardian Angel."

Variations on this include contacting and establishing a link with any
"secret chiefs" or the attaining of "enlightenment" through the
practices of the GD.

Unfortunately, as with any human activity involving more than one
person, competing agendas, egos, politics & etc.. have rendered the GD
ideas, rituals & etc. subject to so much internal strife as to render
its stated goals as secondary to the goal of maintaining its existence
as a money making and ego enhancing exercise in futility.
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Author: The Speaking Clock
Date: Mar 22, 2008 11:59

On 22 Mar, 17:02, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> "The Speaking Clock" live.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:cc999e5e-240a-41a4-af51-b868e7c7c42f@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>> There seems to be two distinct types of GD people.  Cat people and Dog
>> people.  :)
>
> Actually, it appears that the "cat people" and the "dog people" are both the
> bizarrely distorted inventions of a single person with some serious mental
> and emotional challenges.
>
> However, he asks, while speaking as one of his fictional personas, a very
> good question.
>
> "I am an accomplished psychic and have
>  my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
>  years, and I know what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
>  life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?"
> ...
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Author: Tom
Date: Mar 22, 2008 13:50

"The Speaking Clock" live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7a562398-37e4-44b8-bf01-82c2d9ae1b2e@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>On 22 Mar, 17:02, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, it appears that the "cat people" and the "dog people" are both
>> the
>> bizarrely distorted inventions of a single person with some serious
>> mental
>> and emotional challenges.
>>
>> However, he asks, while speaking as one of his fictional personas, a very
>> good question.
>>
>> "I am an accomplished psychic and have
>> my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many
>> years, and I know what a pentagram, hexagram, kabbalistic tree of
>> life etc is, but what am I supposed to be acheiving with this energy?"
>>
>> This poignant dilemma is one facing many people who are attracted to
>> organized groups practicing magick. What has attracted them is the hope ...
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Author: Erwin Hessle
Date: Mar 22, 2008 15:10

On Mar 22, 4:50 pm, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> The fact that some experiences have no satisfactory explanation is not a
> delusion. It's the application of preposterous explanations on these events
> that comprises the delusion.

Well said.
>> All I'm really saying Tom, is that most people want an explanation for
>> these sorts of personal X files, and when someone can throw the warm
>> and fuzzy cloak of psychic phenomena over them then they feel better,
>> without giving too much further thought to the matter.
>
> The unwillingness, or inability, to tolerate the mysterious is cowardice.
> The universe does not always obtain of an explanation and the sooner we come
> to terms with that fact, the sooner we can dispense with childish fantasies
> and actually live in the real world.

As was this.
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Author: The Speaking Clock
Date: Mar 22, 2008 15:24

On 22 Mar, 21:50, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
> "The Speaking Clock" live.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:7a562398-37e4-44b8-bf01-82c2d9ae1b2e@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>>On 22 Mar, 17:02, "Tom" comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> Actually, it appears that the "cat people" and the "dog people" are both
>>> the
>>> bizarrely distorted inventions of a single person with some serious
>>> mental
>>> and emotional challenges.
>
>>> However, he asks, while speaking as one of his fictional personas, a very
>>> good question.
>
>>> "I am an accomplished psychic and have
>>> my own thriving practice - I have been studying the occult for many ...
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