On 24 Feb, 06:11, 565
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>>> On 22 Feb, 04:44, 565
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>>> On Feb 22, 2:17 am, 565
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>>>> To perform magick one must be able to enter a state of Samadhi where
>>>> there is no "other", where one is omnipotant, with the Universe at
>>>> ones command. There *are* no demons to command at that level! This is
>>>> why Mystical Schools say it is necessary to acheive the Knowledge and
>>>> Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel prior to evoking demons (until
>>>> you actually KNOW you are God, you have no authority over them, even
>>>> if they exist!). That is what the "Bornless Ritual" is all about. If
>>>> there´s more than "just you", then keep trying.
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>>> Oh it´s been a while since I´ve replied to my own posts so much, such
>>> memories. Anyway, the "just you" part suddenly (after re-reading it)
>>> reminds me of the ending of a song by Kid Rock. I´ve always loved the
>>> ending where he is singing after the music has stopped and some guy is
>>> shouting "hey, hey! hey!" Â and he goes....well, listen to it sometime.
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>>> Or if you wanna spoil it there´s always the lyrics, which aint quite
>>> as good as listening to it live
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>>> Hasta Luego,
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>>> Rabbi Tzaddi Bach ben Jeannette
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>> Perhaps you would be the proper person to answer a small query if you
>> could spare the time.
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> I´m not sure what you may mean by "proper" but I´ll at least try!
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>> I started studying ritual work ages ago but then abandoned it. Â Just a
>> few basics, you know.
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> I only have a few basics myself to be honest, although I do still use
> rituals at certain times. The rituals are there as training (of the
> mind - which isn´t so easy!). If you are able to perform magick
> without them then be careful what you wish for!
Yup...my mind definately needs more training:)
>> I was in quite a lot of danger last week and everything was going
>> badly... I won't go into details but violance, destitution, and
>> starvation were on the cards, and I was sleeping badly, when all of a
>> sudden (and to my complete astonishment) a part of me ran through a
>> ritual (not phsically - I didn't sleepwalk or anything) whilst making
>> a few changes to it and sort of... rearranged my head, gave me a great
>> feeling of calm, and it seemed to have brightened my circumstances
>> considerably. Â I'm extremely grateful, but at the same time I realise
>> that this small logical consciousness/self image/low level thinking
>> think skulking on the bottom dim of the TOL can never be a God,
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> Never say Never, so they say. If you look at the Middle Pillar
> Exercise (MPE) and the God-names from Kether to Malkuth, it starts
> with "I Am", which one is meant to pronounce daily. These are not, in
> my opinion at least, names for anything that is not you. This is very
> similar to the "Bornless Ritual"*.
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> I Am
> the Lord God
> Lord God of Knowledge
> Almighty Living God
> Lord of Earth
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http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/MiddlePillar.htm
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http://www.jwmt.org/v1n7/bornless.html
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> Â So look up the MPE and read out the God-names in English (or your
> language). Perform it regularly while remembering what the God-names
> actually *mean*. Like the "Bornless Ritual", it is designed to open
> you up to the fact that, "Thou Art That".
We could say 'thou art that' to a spider too, but all that really
matter is that it does what the divine spark intended it too and spins
a web. :)
> Â just a
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>> sort of an appendange to one.
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> Your body is both the real you and not the real you, or the
> "appendage" as you succinctly put it. When one does the LBRP one
> creates the thoughtforms, within one´s own sphere of influence, of the
> four Archangels for them to ... inhabit (which is maybe the wrong word
> but I can´t think of anything else at the moment). It is like an
> Astronaut inhabiting his suit, if I can be a little vulgar in my
> descriptions. I have said before here that I think we might compare
> our Incarnations here on Earth to the kind of thoughtforms we create
> of the Archangels to "inhabit" (I still don´t like that word).
> Everything "down here" is a thoughtform of a higher being, including
> what appears to be our very real and solid body. In fact read this
> instead of reading my wandering ramblings:
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http://www.deeptrancenow.com/paradigm.htm
That's a really great story, but very few of these stories say what
happened to these people after they were enlightened. Some of them
taught others, but others became deluded and went mad. Some went mad
and taught others. We could shrug and say it was all 'divinely
inspired' madness, but I think there was often a bit of deluded
madness along with it. Perhaps it just doesn't matter to someone
who's been enlightened, but they are still human beings with free
will, manifesting here and able to make mistakes if they ignore and/or
are ignorent of their HGA.
Sometimes I equate the actions of the HGA on an aspirants life like a
parent frantically calling to a child who is about to blithley run
across the road without looking for cars first.
In Zen tradition there are those they call 'young masters'. The life
of an enlightened one is dated from the reception of the
enlightenment, and if you carefully read between the lines there is
much more for them to learn. Probably the greatest lesson is how not
to set seekers on the wrong path, for this sets even an enlightened
one backwards with a karmic penalty. It is unlawful, and this is why
(I think) the last of the 4 cardinal rules of magick is - to keep
silent.
> Â It makes me wonder whether magical work
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>> might be a bit... uppity if it's me trying to do it instead of that
>> part of me upstairs getting involved to run the show, unless the only
>> part I have in the matter is as a sort of rehersal.
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> Magical work is not uppity, it is about making Adonai Ha-Aaretz (which
> is IAO or any god-name associated with Tipareth) incarnate on this
> physical plain (or plane). Plainly speaking, it means simply to wake
> up. Which I think is similar to Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy
> Guardian Angel, or achieving Samadhi, or Gnosis. These are Holy tasks
> and the very crux of the Great Work. You are not different or detached
> from the "part of you upstairs", "look within, thou art Buddha", or
> "thou art that", or the "kingdom of God is within you" (use anything
> as a subsitute here from most any mystical text). Anything that
> attempts to distract you from your own Divinity you can safely
> discard.
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>> Another thing I watched with fascination was that all the words of the
>> ritual were stripped out and replaced with sounds from the natural
>> world. Â A seashell and a bulls horn was involved, and much else.
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> I´d be interested in a fuller description, if you have time. :)
I'd be breaking one of the cardinal rules.... and anyway - it would
read like something that deserves to be called "What my HGA did on my
holidays".
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>> me upstairs running the show seemed to think the words of rituals were
>> amusing affectations.
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> It is good to have a sense of humour I suppose. Perhaps at those
> higher levels things are more symbolic - but I´m not sure it is
> helpful to see ones Higher Divinity as something that finds its own
> incarnation here as something lower, or ignorant, or something to find
> amusing (I´ve been there!). Don´t put yourself down!
Thank you:) It's Ok, it was more like a shared joke and a teaching,
not at all offensive:) The joker makes kind jokes, and knows how to
laugh with you. There is no humour, no happy resonance of the divine
when someone laughs at you. The other is simple a revaltion of a hurt
ego.
((Ps Tom - it wasn't meant. I hadn't read the thread where you were
already discussing belief v reality with others and getting riled. I
was doing a little girl stamping her foot impression because you're an
old man, and if you hadn't of been distracted you would have seen
there was a compliment inherent in the approach and no malice
intended.))
>> My query is this - have you heard of magicians who throw the words
>> away? Â Any information on wordless rituals would be most appreciated.
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> Have you read much about the "Empty Handed Adept"? I´m afraid I know
> little of this myself but I think the term is pregnant with meaning (I
> have the Buddhist text the "Heart Sutra" particularly in mind here).
> Words, I think, are a very physical thing, so perhaps you were doing
> these rituals on a different plain (or plane) than that which we have
> breath to vibrate such words?
It started with the breath given to the universe:) And... sometimes
our path requires us to be detectives and to work with a few clues to
see the whole pattern of the crime, and it's proper restitution. You
don't need to know every damed sutra, biblical text, or be word
perfect in Crowley salad to progress, and you already know that;)
>> Hasta luego y mucho gracias :)-
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> Hasta la Vista.
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Drop me a line sometime amigo:)
