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> MagicFingers Posted: Oct 27 2007, 10:00 AM
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> At least one of the people in the "thirteen" is a stooge (maybe two).
> They stay behind as the others leave and they operate the flashlights.
> They then hide in the base before the curtain is removed.
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> It's interesting to notice how the steel balls never go behind him -
> meaning the audience behind him don't get to participate (or even see
> the show, if you think about it). I'm not sure what the deal is with
> them.
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> As far as the escape is concerned - it doesn't seem as if the same
> method is used as in his live performances. My theory is that there is
> a mirror tunnel that runs through the stage-left leg assembly (right
> side as we see it). That part of the cage just happens to be in
> exactly the same place as the millenium cabinet and the voyeur vanish.
> And we know there is a trap door right there.
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> Magic Max Posted: Oct 27 2007, 10:44 AM
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> I think in "thirteen" there is only one stooge. I think he is the one
> who comes on with the deflated ball. It is difficult to tell how many
> silver balls are originally thrown out to the audience.
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> In the video, take note that the lady is wearing pink, and the guy
> beside her, a dark color. When they reach out the sides for the large
> flashlights (not both at once), they both have dark sleeves.
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> I also think that the people don't turn on their flashlights until
> their appearance at the back of the auditorium. When I saw this
> illusion live, the bar the holds the curtains up has a section in it
> (on the back bar) that is transparent.
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> The method for getting the people off the platform must be quick, and
> easy for the people to use because they have not rehearsed the
> illusion beforehand.
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> What ever it is... I didn't do it.
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> KevinE2X Posted: Oct 27 2007, 11:35 AM
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> This thread is getting further and further away from how it is
> actually done...the guesses are getting much colder.
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> There are NO stooges. The guy with the deflated ball HAD a regular
> silver ball...as he is coming up on stage, one of the assistants takes
> his inflated ball and gives him the deflated ball. It is all for a
> joke...also the assistants look over the volunteers and determine who
> is NOT going to vanish...based on how big they are, how tall, physical
> limitations, whether they look like a magician or not...of which that
> question is often asked of the volunteers.
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> All the people that go up on the platform actually vanish and reappear
> in the house...NONE of them stay behind. NO intelligent lights are
> used in the platform, no mechanical hands or arms are used.
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> porter Posted: Nov 2 2007, 10:00 PM
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> Fasto Posted: Nov 3 2007, 04:17 PM
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> Well, I've just read this thread, and the few pages about the troupe
> vanish.
> I've watched it a couple of times, and I think I have an idea as to
> what the psychological principle that was mentioned might be.
> Due to the discussion about exposure, I think I'd better ask first -
> can I mention my guess here, or shall I keep it to myself? I haven't
> bought the illusion yet, so I'm not sure whether I'm right or wrong.
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> pae Posted: Nov 4 2007, 09:23 AM
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> QUOTE (Fasto @ Nov 3 2007, 04:17 PM)
> I've watched it a couple of times, and I think I have an idea as to
> what the psychological principle that was mentioned might be.
> Due to the discussion about exposure, I think I'd better ask first -
> can I mention my guess here, or shall I keep it to myself? I haven't
> bought the illusion yet, so I'm not sure whether I'm right or wrong.
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> fine by me to speculate-afterall there area lot of illusions i know
> the workings to and a great deal MORE that i don't
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> general methodologies are discussed all over this section but in depth
> workings and the subtleties very rarely-so speculate away
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> Fasto Posted: Nov 4 2007, 04:20 PM
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> Well I'm curious whether the illusion works for the people standing
> behind the platform...
> Maybe the dancers simply ran past them in full view.
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> BLACKshadow Posted: Nov 5 2007, 07:06 PM
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> Ok first i would like to say hi i was a long time member on the
> original SOMF website until mike took over. i have been so busy for a
> long time magic just left me i then have more time now and have
> started it back up.
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> now for this whole post to come to an end. Julian bond is perhaps the
> best magican i have seen in duplicating illusions for the famous DC.
> his methods are so amazing yet simple. i can be honest and say i
> personally never bought ne of his pdf files but were given free by him
> i used them all at my magic show. these included an opener apperance
> of me on my uncles harley bike in a box. i used his home video
> prediction and his troupe vanish. i did this show infront of about 250
> audience members. at the end of the show all they were taking about
> were these 3 illusions. magicians were baffled that i recreated some
> of DC popular illusions and were stunned. i told julianthat i would
> get clips of these 3 performances but my moms camera died on her about
> 10 minutes into the show and unfortuinatley the angles she was
> standing at were poor.
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> all i have to say is that julain bond is a master at illusions and
> designs that u can build for less than 100$
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> this is how much it costed me to build these illusions
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> troupe vanish 185$ using a 2.5 inch platform heavy enought to hold 1
> ton ( 2000 lbs) and 2 inch aluminum steel pipes. extremely upgraded
> materials but non the less can be built with a normal platform and pvc
> pipes. i went the extra mile and made mine more professional. i used
> the same mathod as julian bond did however presentation and how i
> performed it was different.
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> bike in box 100$ for this julian since i was on a stage i used a
> differnt method but same principal as the troupe vanish but instead of
> audience memebrs leaving thats how i got the bike on. for people who
> know what i am talking about u would understand. of course this was
> surrounded. great idea from julian although not really same method as
> bike in box same principal as the troupe vanish.
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> lastly home video prediction doesnt really cost much besides that
> props like a force bag and force deck and what not. i used differnt
> items but still great effect.
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> anyways i love to do illusions but hate the price of them. julian bond
> creates illusions which can be desned for cheap.
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> anyways iwill not reveal the secrets to ne of these tricks unless
> permission from julian bond myself. but would really recommend u
> purchasing the effects and creating new magic with the methods just
> like i did.
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> SOMETIME AND WOULD LOVE TO C UR NEW ILLUSIONS U HAVE BEEN CREATING
> IF U COULD I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR AS TO WHAT NEW ILLUSIONS U R WORKING
> ON OR WILLSOON BE FOR SALE.
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> ALSO CONGRATS ON UR BABY
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> QED Posted: Nov 5 2007, 10:47 PM
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> That's fantastic Blackshadow...
> It just goes to prove what we've been saying about Julian's
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> they teach you a lot and with some creativity you can turn them into
> something totally different...
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> MagicMan Posted: Nov 6 2007, 09:54 AM
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> Hey up BS, and welcome back. Now I can respect your not wanting to
> disclose the ACTUAL writings of Julian Bond, but since you have
> reworked the manuscripts and built DIFFERENT illusions, how about some
> tuts on what you have done. This is after all a secret sharing site.
> Thanks in advance.
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> BLACKshadow Posted: Nov 6 2007, 05:58 PM
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> well the thing is if i explain the secret as to how i accomplished
> david copperfields bike in box shadow illusion i will be kinda
> revealing the basic idea/ method of the troupe vanish. even if i were
> to give u the secret it would not explain the whole trick entirley so
> even with the method u still have to wonder how do u do it surrounded
> how is it accomplished so fast and even though the simplicity of the
> trick/ method it takes great showmenship to perform.
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> i understand that this is a revealing site and i will reveal how i did
> my version of bike in the box i do want u to know that i dedicate this
> to julian bond who inspired me to go the extra distance and rather
> than just perform a trick tocreate new inovative ones.
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> | <------- curtain
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> AUDIENCE <------------- BOX RAISED | motocycle is on 2x 8 board
> ON PLATFORM |----------------------------------
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> now for the explanation i created a somewhat shadow box except with
> light.
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> what happens is the box is raised on a platform to show no trap doors
> or possable way for loading behind the curtain stage. what hapeens is
> that the box is opened all the way round and shown to be completley
> empty i invite about 15 people on stage only 5 are stooges those r the
> ones benhind the box that see everything. they all join hands then box
> is closed on three sides only back and 2 sides leaving front open.
> ( this is simmilar to dc version). once those sides are closed a board
> is fed thru the back of the curtain and placed on the back of the
> platform. i left about 3 inches around the platform. then bike is fed
> thru on board awaiting to be loaded from behind box, keep in mind that
> no audience memebrs c this as the back side is closed. this is all
> down as i say stuff magical stuff lol. then the final front is closed
> and bike is fully loaded.board is taken away and walah.
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> so that is my method hope u understand any questions id be sure to ask
> sry for rough diagram.
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> MagicMan Posted: Nov 6 2007, 06:28 PM
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> Thanks Man, I think this is what we are all about.
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