Re: Reply to Mr. Pillock's questions #2: Ray Haddad's Imaginary 1970's Hurricane in Norfolk (was: Re: "Your actions speak louder than your lies" - Miz Anderson to Ray Haddad)
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Re: Reply to Mr. Pillock's questions #2: Ray Haddad's Imaginary 1970's Hurricane in Norfolk (was: Re: "Your actions speak louder than your lies" - Miz Anderson to Ray Haddad)         

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Author: Ray Haddad
Date: Sep 17, 2007 02:45

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:38:24 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and Ed hotmail.com> instead replied:
>On Sep 16, 9:00 pm, Ray Haddad iexpress.net.au> wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:48:29 -0700, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>> and Ed hotmail.com> instead replied:
>>
>>>On Sep 10, 9:35 pm, Ejucaided Redneck mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 10, 10:18 am, Pies de Arcilla gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 10, 7:24 am, Sylvia cliffhangerREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Miz Sylvia: "'Zactly, Mr. RJM! That's wot I said! It only makes <---
>>>>>> sense for a ship to leave early instead of waitin'
>>>>>> so that it got caught in the storm.
>>
>>>>> Looking at Ray's post that you cited, I'm not sure why you think his
>>>>> ship got caught in the storm. When he wrote that the ship "bobbed
>>>>> around like a cork fully at the mercy of the winds and seas", that
>>>>> doesn't mean that it was in the middle of the storm--it's just a way
>>>>> of dramatically describing its vulnerability to one if it didn't leave
>>>>> the area posthaste.
>>
>>>> For a modern carrier to bob around "like a cork fully at the mercy of
>>>> the winds and seas" it's got to be in a helluva blow. Big storm.
>>>> Major league type storm.
>>
>>>> For that matter, ships are dispersed days and days ahead of a
>>>> hurricane getting anywhere near a port. Soon as it looks like the
>>>> blow might hit, they run for it.
>>
>>>I am curious about one thing. How "modern" would the carrier Ray was
>>>supposed to be on be if the story is to have taken place about 30
>>>years ago? And, for that matter, I would assume the carrier wouldn't
>>>have been all that new even the 70s.
>>
>> Akkk! It was fairly new, Ed. USS Nimitz (CVN-68). However, the
>> damage that high winds and heavy seas can do to the pier and the
>> ship means that even newer ships set sail when threatened. It's
>> standard operating procedure even today.
>>
>> Before you get too mired in all this, do note that Sylvia is simply
>> doing her best to spread lies about me digging at what she thinks
>> are "facts" which are more closely related to her own fantasies. But
>> then, you've figured that all out by now.
>
>I'm not saying anything about whether the carrier could have sat at
>the docks or not.
>
>The post said that "modern carriers" wouldn't be bobbing and weaving
>like a cork in the water. My question was; if the story was from the
>70s, then it can hardly be considered a "modern" carrier by today's
>standards. Even if it was built in the 60s or even early 70s, would it
>have the same technology that todays sailors take pretty much for
>granted?

Modern carriers are those not like the straight deck carriers of
WWII. The USS Nimitz is a modern carrier. In fact, all carriers
built after her are referred to as Nimitz Class Carriers. Yes.
Modern carriers do bob around at sea and the wind against the huge
surface area of the hull can and does cause the ship to pound
against the pier causing damage to both the ship and pier if left
dockside. That's why, even today, all carriers set sail if there is
any danger of a hurricane or tropical storm.
--
Ray
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