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Author: newsnews Date: Aug 25, 2007 14:34
On Aug 25, 4:29 pm, "Judson McClendon" sunvaley0.com> wrote:> I believe the fundamental BASIC syntax is
> superior to either of these other languages. For example, VB still has a
> complete do/loop structure, where the 'while' or 'until' phrase may be
> placed after the 'do' or after the 'loop', but none of the other
> languages provide this full gamut.
But that's *not* a "fundamental BASIC syntax" at all! Several early
BASICs had no DO or WHILE loop equivalent - all they had was
FOR...NEXT.
Incidentally 'C' also allows you to put the condition at the beginning
or the end of a WHILE/DO loop, so VB isn't unique in that. And 'C'
has both 'break' and 'continue', which no BASIC dialect has as far as
I know.
Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
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Author: newsnews Date: Aug 25, 2007 14:42
On Aug 25, 7:10 pm, "R.Nicholson" yahoo.com> wrote:> I would have to disagree, since their are lots on new
> languages which have nice modern IDE's, but very little
> traction in terms of numbers of users. And the history of
> programming languages is littered with dead and near dead
> ones.
You're making a very different point. I didn't say a good IDE was
*sufficient* for a language to be relevant and successful today, but
that it is *necessary*. Mixing those up leads to very muddled
thinking.
Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
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Author: Happy TrailsHappy Trails Date: Aug 25, 2007 16:18
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:34:26 -0700, "news@ rtrussell.co.uk"
rtrussell.co.uk> wrote:
>Incidentally 'C' also allows you to put the condition at the beginning
>or the end of a WHILE/DO loop,soVBisn'tuniqueinthat.And'C'
>has both 'break' and 'continue', which no BASIC dialect has as far as
>I know.
>
>Richard.
> http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
>To reply by email change 'news' to my forename.
The ms basics, at least 7.1, had EXIT FOR/DO and NEXT I and various
other loop control items like that, so you are wrong there, I afraid.
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Author: Tom LakeTom Lake Date: Aug 25, 2007 16:35
> On Aug 25, 4:29 pm, "Judson McClendon" sunvaley0.com> wrote:>> I believe the fundamental BASIC syntax is
>> superior to either of these other languages. For example, VB still has a
>> complete do/loop structure, where the 'while' or 'until' phrase may be
>> placed after the 'do' or after the 'loop', but none of the other
>> languages provide this full gamut.
>
> But that's *not* a "fundamental BASIC syntax" at all! Several early
> BASICs had no DO or WHILE loop equivalent - all they had was
> FOR...NEXT.
It's in the de jure (ANSI/ISO) standard for BASIC, not the de facto
standard. The fact that "Street BASICs" (as the inventors of BASIC
called it) didn't have it was because compromises had to be made...
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Author: ArarghMail708NOSPAMArarghMail708NOSPAM Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:32
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:34:26 -0700, "news@ rtrussell.co.uk"
rtrussell.co.uk> wrote:
>On Aug 25, 4:29 pm, "Judson McClendon" sunvaley0.com> wrote:>> I believe the fundamental BASIC syntax is
>> superior to either of these other languages. For example, VB still has a
>> complete do/loop structure, where the 'while' or 'until' phrase may be
>> placed after the 'do' or after the 'loop', but none of the other
>> languages provide this full gamut.
>
>But that's *not* a "fundamental BASIC syntax" at all! Several early
>BASICs had no DO or WHILE loop equivalent - all they had was
>FOR...NEXT.
>
>Incidentally 'C' also allows you to put the condition at the beginning
>or the end of a WHILE/DO loop, so VB isn't unique in that. And 'C'
>has both 'break' and 'continue', which no BASIC dialect has as far as
>I know.
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Author: ArarghMail708NOSPAMArarghMail708NOSPAM Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:38
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:18:05 -0400, Happy Trails myplace.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:34:26 -0700, "news@ rtrussell.co.uk"
> rtrussell.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Incidentally 'C' also allows you to put the condition at the beginning
>>or the end of a WHILE/DO loop,soVBisn'tuniqueinthat.And'C'
>>has both 'break' and 'continue', which no BASIC dialect has as far as
>>I know.
>>
>>Richard.
>> http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
>>To reply by email change 'news' to my forename. >
>The ms basics, at least 7.1, had EXIT FOR/DO and NEXT I and various
>other loop control items like that, so you are wrong there, I afraid.
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Author: ArarghMail708NOSPAMArarghMail708NOSPAM Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:43
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:57 -0400, "Tom Lake" twcny.rr.com>
wrote:
>> On Aug 25, 4:29 pm, "Judson McClendon" sunvaley0.com> wrote:>>> I believe the fundamental...
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Author: ArarghMail708NOSPAMArarghMail708NOSPAM Date: Aug 25, 2007 18:49
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 11:10:05 -0700, "R.Nicholson" yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>And currently there are no independent Basic compilers
>which can match Intel's, IBM's and others, C and Fortran
>optimizing compilers in terms of industry standard raw
>benchmark performance.
Intel has a Basic compiler? Never heard of it. Where?
The most recent IBM Basic compiler that have is Version 1, for the PC,
from the early 80's. And it was written by Microsoft. Is there any
later?
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Author: winston19842005winston19842005 Date: Aug 25, 2007 20:45
> On Aug 25, 4:29 pm, "Judson McClendon" sunvaley0.com> wrote:
>>> I believe the fundamental BASIC syntax is
>> superior to either of these other languages. For example, VB still has a
>> complete do/loop structure, where the 'while' or 'until' phrase may be
>> placed after the 'do' or after the 'loop', but none of the other
>> languages provide this full gamut.
>
> But that's *not* a "fundamental BASIC syntax" at all! Several early
> BASICs had no DO or WHILE loop equivalent - all they had was
> FOR...NEXT.
>
> Incidentally 'C' also allows you to put the condition at the beginning
> or the end of a WHILE/DO loop, so VB isn't unique in that. And 'C'
> has both 'break' and 'continue', which no BASIC dialect...
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Author: Tom LakeTom Lake Date: Aug 26, 2007 00:26
NOT.AT.Arargh.com> wrote in message
news:mfm1d3dciq3mhspaa56qumv3vmrnipj04s@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:35:57 -0400, "Tom Lake" twcny.rr.com>
> wrote:
>> Yes. Some which would be useful in any version of basic:
> MAT ZER clear an entire array
> MAT LET copy an entire array
> MAT READ read an entire array
> MAT WRITE write an entire array
Try telling that to Nicholson! For some reason, he won't add
MAT READ or MAT PRINT to his BASICs.
I know thay can be easily duplicated by nested loops but since
the syntax is already standardized, why not add them?
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