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Author: bigvincebigvince Date: Oct 27, 2007 16:20
Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective
'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that
involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no
better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is
advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" source
http://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-ineffectiveagain...
But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and
get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from
"Epidemiology and Infection " http://journals.cambridge.org/action/
displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543
"Epidemic influenza and vitamin D"
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J. J. CANNELL a1c1, R. VIETH a2, J. C. UMHAU a3, M. F. HOLICK a4, W.
B. GRANT a5, S. MADRONICH a6, C. F. GARLAND a7 and...
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Date: Oct 27, 2007 16:42
On Oct 27, 7:20 am, bigvince gmail.com> wrote:> Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective
>
> 'COMMENT: In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that
> involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no
> better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is
> advocated: babies," middle aged adults and the elderly" sourcehttp://sayingnotovaccines.blogspot.com/2007/10/flu-shot-proven-to-be-...
>
> But was your grandmother right should you take you cod liver oil and
> get some sun to avoid the flu? Evidently from
>
> "Epidemiology and Infection " http://journals.cambridge.org/action/
> displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=469543
>
> "Epidemic influenza and vitamin D"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------...
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Author: JOHNJOHN Date: Oct 27, 2007 21:18
Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story.
We proposed that annual fluctuations in vitamin D levels explain the
seasonality of influenza........which cause recurrent and predictable
wintertime vitamin D deficiency, predispose human populations to influenza
epidemics. We raised the possibility that influenza is a symptom of vitamin
D deficiency in the same way that an unusual form of pneumonia (pneumocystis
carinii) is a symptom of AIDS. That is, we theorized that George Bernard
Shaw was right when he said, "the characteristic microbe of a disease might
be a symptom instead of a cause." Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D By J. J.
Cannell
http://www.whale.to/a/cannell.html
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Author: Peter MoranPeter Moran Date: Oct 27, 2007 23:42
"JOHN" nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FPqdnZP-7PNkE77aRVnytQA@bt.com...> Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story.
Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How,
then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa?
Sanitation is mainly only relevant to the transmission of enteric viruses
such as cholera and typhoid, by protecting drinking water sources. Good
sanitation quite obviously does not reduce epidemics of non-enteric
infections such as colds, flu (and smallpox). Every American can observe
this for themselves..
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Author: Ron PetersonRon Peterson Date: Oct 28, 2007 02:03
On Oct 27, 9:20 am, bigvince gmail.com> wrote:> Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective
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Date: Oct 28, 2007 22:59
ClearOn Oct 27, 1:42 pm, "Peter Moran" internode.on.net>
wrote:> "JOHN" nospam.com> wrote in message
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> news:FPqdnZP-7PNkE77aRVnytQA@bt.com...
>>> Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story.
>
> Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How,
> then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa?
> Sanitation is mainly only relevant to the transmission of enteric viruses
> such as cholera and typhoid, by protecting drinking water sources. Good
> sanitation quite obviously does not reduce epidemics of non-enteric
> infections such as colds, flu (and smallpox). Every American can observe
> this for themselves..
>
>>
> Well, in Queensland we have sunny weather all year round and we still get
> the flu.
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Date: Oct 29, 2007 00:52
On Oct 27, 5:42 pm, "Peter Moran" internode.on.net> wrote:> "JOHN" nospam.com> wrote in message
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> news:FPqdnZP-7PNkE77aRVnytQA@bt.com...
>>> Smallpox vax was for poor sanitation, same old story.
Peter the moron replied:
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> Are you saying that smallpox was eliminated by better sanitation?. How,
> then, did vaccination eliminate smallpox in India and Africa?
Your informantion is lacking. If you were to look at the medical
reports of the British army
concerning smallpox in India, you would quickly learn that vaccination
had NO effect. The
only action that controlled the smallpox was SANITATION.
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Author: bigvincebigvince Date: Oct 30, 2007 16:50
On Oct 27, 9:03 pm, Ron Peterson shell.core.com> wrote:> On Oct 27, 9:20 am, bigvince gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yet another study finds flu shots ineffective
>
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/14/1373concludes:
> "Achieving optimal success in preventing and controlling influenza
> among the elderly may require more immunogenic vaccines and new
> strategies that induce greater levels of herd immunity and thereby
> interrupt influenza transmission in communities. More effective
> vaccines for the elderly are under development but have not yet been
> approved for use in the United States. Vaccination of children in the
> United States has been associated with reductions in illness in
> households41 and in the community,42 and in Japan with lower mortality
> rates among the elderly.43 However, these studies are not conclusive,
> 44,45 and additional research is needed to define the benefits among
> the elderly that might be realized from vaccinating children. In the
> meantime, vaccination rates of elderly persons remain stagnant and
> well below the 2010 goal of 90%%.3 Even as we wait for new vaccines and
> new strategies, patients, their health care providers, and ...
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Author: Ron PetersonRon Peterson Date: Oct 30, 2007 18:34
On Oct 30, 10:50 am, bigvince gmail.com> wrote:
> Other experts differ....
Then post the academic journal paper that says people shouldn't get
flu shots.
Your first link in this thread lead to article
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/oct0907elderly.h...
which states:
"Overall, this study provides additional support for the current
strategy to vaccinate elderly adults," Treanor asserts. The
methodologic issues are important, and the precise magnitude of the
benefits of vaccination is not yet clear, but it is clear that
vaccination is beneficial and should be used widely, he adds.
--
Ron
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Author: bigvincebigvince Date: Oct 30, 2007 19:26
On Oct 30, 1:34 pm, Ron Peterson shell.core.com> wrote:
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> Your first link in this thread lead to articlehttp://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/oct09...
> which states:
> "Overall, this study provides additional support for the current
> strategy to vaccinate elderly adults," Treanor asserts. The
> methodologic issues are important, and the precise magnitude of the
> benefits of vaccination is not yet clear, but it is clear that
> vaccination is beneficial and should be used widely, he adds.
>
> --
> Ron
Geez Ron just go to the link you refered to .Here's what it said in
part
Fresh doubts, new support for flu shots for seniors
Robert Roos News Editor
Oct 9, 2007 (CIDRAP News) - In quick succession, the view that
influenza shots yield life-saving benefits for elderly people has come
under serious attack and received fresh support in recent weeks.
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