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Re: WHICH GOD/ RELIGION IS REAL?         

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Author: Bill M
Date: Jul 12, 2008 08:02

spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:g53755$d15$2@reader1.panix.com...
> In alt.religion.christian Christopher A. Lee optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:06:15 +0000 (UTC), EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
>> wrote:
>
>>>In alt.religion.christian "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Naw, only God is infallible. It says so right there in the Bible. But
> didn't we say this all before?

The foundation of all Christian and Jewish religions is based on the Bibles
and the bibles are a foundation of quick sand.

There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods. They are
no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders motivated to
impress and control their flock.

It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion, civilization
and morality is the Good Book. This is patently ridiculous because the
Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions, human
and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.

There are 66 or more 'claimed original authors'. There are NO original
copies of the Bibles in existence. They are all ALTERED hand copies of
copies of copies etc. by hundreds of scribes over a period of thousands of
years. There is no accurate objective way to determine their authenticity or
historical accuracy.

The Bibles quite obviously contain mostly myths, fables, legends.
contradictions and totally impossible tales. NONE of the Bibles were written
during Jesus' 'CLAIMED LIFE TIME'. Time and distance was required to allow
the creation of fictional stories and the embellishment of history.

There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all, ancient
Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the ones
that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were 50 gospels in
circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church leaders,
yet only four
made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books would
become part of the Christian scriptures, and again, "Why?" Who decided,
"This book belongs... this book doesn't..."? What were their reasons?
What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were authentic?
In addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by church leaders
to support their personal motives and ambitions..

The fact is, there are no clear records available which document the
church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which books
were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among scholars
is that the decision was based on whether or not the book agreed with the
prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other words, the
only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions, desires and
motives of the church leadership at the time

This means that the fundamental religion is not based on the Bibles, as they
claim so fervently... it means the Bibles were selected and embellished to
support the claims of the church leadership at the time.

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New
Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts"
By Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman

In the ancient past Biblical scholars were largely affiliated

with and supportive of a religious organization. They were

prone to interpret scriptures to support their religious organizations

power and strength.

Many scholars today are unencumbered by and unaffiliated with

any religious organizations. As a result they are unearthing more

realistic and authentic interpretations of Biblical ancient documents.

Finkelstein is an iconoclast. He
established his reputation in part by developing a
theory about the settlement patterns of the nomadic
shepherd tribes who would eventually become the
Israelites, bolstering the growing consensus that
they were originally indistinguishable from the rest
of their neighbors, the Canaanites. This overturns
a key element in the Bible: The Old Testament depicts
the Israelites as superior outsiders -- descended
from Abraham, a Mesopotamian immigrant -- entitled
by divine order to invade Canaan and exterminate
its unworthy, idolatrous inhabitants. The famous
battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly
launched this campaign of conquest after wandering
for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked:
The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and
had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions
are all pretty much accepted by mainstream
archaeologists.

A group of European biblical
scholars, sometimes called the Copenhagen School,
who have insisted that since there is, to their
minds, so little corroborative evidence supporting
the stories in the Old Testament, the scriptures
should be regarded as a collection of legends, and
figures like David and Solomon considered "no more
historical than King Arthur."

Eventually, as archaeological methods improved
and biblical scholars analyzed the text itself for
inconsistencies and anachronisms, the amount of the
Bible regarded as historically verifiable rapidly eroded.
The honeymoon was over.

It is also interesting that, even though the Biblical canon was purposely
chosen to include only books that met the church leaders opinions at the
time, there is so much inconsistency and contradictions in the Bibles. And
it is even more interesting that so many fundamentalists proclaim that there
are no contradictions in the Bible! If that were true, then why are there
thousands of different sects of Christianity and 20 different English
versions of the Bibles?

For example, Christianity is basically divided into three main sects: the
Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, and the Protestants. And the
Protestant branch alone is divided into numerous different sects: the
Adventists, the Amish, the Anglican Church, the Apostolic Faith, the
Assemblies of God, the Baptists, the Brethren, the Christian Church, the
Church of Christ, the Church of God, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints (the Mormons), the Church of the Nazarene, the Congregational
Christian Churches, the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Congregational
Church, the Friends (Quakers), the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Lutherans, the
Mennonites, the Methodists, the Pentecostal Churches, the Presbyterians, the
Salvation Army, the Unitarians, the United Church of Christ, and at least 66
other sects!

And that does not count the different sub-sects of these prime sects! For
example, the Baptists are further divided into: the American Baptist
Convention, the Southern Baptist Convention, the American Baptist
Association, the Baptist General Conference, the Bethel Baptist Assembly,
the Christian Unity Baptist Association, the Conservative Baptist
Association of America, the Baptist Church of Christ, the Free Will
Baptists... and at least 19 other sub-sects. And there are no "minor
differences" between these sub-sects. For example, the Southern Baptist
Association was formed in 1845 in large part
because of disagreements with other Baptists concerning slavery.

The other Protestant sects are also broken up into various sub-sects. For
example, the Methodists have 23, the Mennonites 15; the Presbyterians 9; the
Mormons 3; etc.

And yet (especially for the more right-wing sects), these numerous sects and
sub-sects claim to possess the truth of the Bible in its purest form... and
each one are able to quote verses from the Bible to prove it! The Bibles are
so loaded with vague stories and unsubstantiated claims that one can find
texts to support almost ANYTHING. So much for the "harmony" of the Bible.

Anyone that reads the Bibles objectively can see that they are books of
fables, myths, legends and totally impossible tales. They are certainly not
the word of any god unless he was an absolute idiot.

Believing in the Bibles is not much better than believing in Alice in
Wonderland, Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables. At least the latter are good
fiction.

The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
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