On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:15:56 -0400, James
peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>>Re: A JESUS CHRIST QUESTION
>
>>In alt.religion.christian Bill M
bellsouth.net> wrote:>>> Can anyone supply OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE that Jesus Christ was a real
>>> god and not just an ancient fable???
>>
>>Of course not. But are those the only two choices?
>
>Hello,
>
>If you do more research, you will see that Jesus was written about as
>a REAL historical person, not an 'ancient fable' etc.
Liar.
>For just a few examples of many, the first century non-Christian
>historian Josephus (37-100 A.D) wrote,
>
>"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
>call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of
>such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
>many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And
>when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had
>condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did
>not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day;
>(10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other
>wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named
>from him, are not extinct at this day." (Antiquities of the Jews, Book
>XVIII, Chap. III, par. 3.)
Don't these idiots bother to think before posting?
Let alone check things for themselves?
Do they honestly imagine they are the first believer to pull this
bullshit?
It's an obvious Christian forgery. No Jew would have written it.
No Jew calls Christianity "the truth".
No Jew would call the coming of the Messiah a misfortune.
No Jew would think the OT prophecies that Christians quote, were for
Jesus but for more mundane events that happened hundreds of years
earlier. Prophecies that the writer doesn't describe at all.
No Jew would have thought Jesus was the Messiah without becoming a
follower.
It is out of context both textually and chronologically - the Temple
of Isis incident was circa 19 CE and the cructfiction was supposed to
have happened 14 years later.
Etc.
It doesn't appear in the equivalent almost identical chapter in his
earlier "Wars of the Jews".
None of the early writers who cite Josephus copiously mention this,
even though it would have been their ace in the hole. Like Origen.
And this is all you've got.
None of the early writers outside the Christian tradition mention
"Jesus".
But the average hard of thinking Christian imagines mention of
Christians as followers of Christ, means Jesus because they're too
stupid to realise the writers had the doubtful benefit of Christian
hindsight.
[rest of this stupidity deleted]
