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Author: Andrew Swallow
Date: Mar 8, 2008 11:25

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
[snip]
> Boston news is reported "whole streets" are vacant but that has
> to be hype.

That can happen if the houses are new (the builder has not sold any),
a speculator bought the entire street or every one in the street
worked for the same firm and the firm went bust.

Andrew Swallow
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: Andrew Swallow
Date: Mar 8, 2008 11:32

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
[snip]
>
> It can't be a coincidence that 3 or 4 TV channels has lots
> of programs that encourage this kind of speculation by the
> inexperienced.
>
> /BAH

That is a strong sell signal. Bubbles only go on for a few years.
By the time tv companies get to know about it the big gains have
occurred and the boom is nearly over.

Andrew Swallow
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: Morten Reistad
Date: Mar 8, 2008 11:21

In article 70-1-84-166.area1.spcsdns.net>,
Walter Bushell oanix.com> wrote:
>In article news.individual.net>,
> krw att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>> In some cases it's the opposite. One can buy a serviceable gun for
>> $100, though the average bank robbery is only $4K.
>
>The average I'm told is brought down by druggies who hold up a bank on a
>whim and may get just a couple hundred or less.

And the chance of getting caught for a violent bank/post crime
is well above 90%%, and the jailtime for this average will be on the
order of a day in jail for every $2 you got out. You might as well take
an honest job.

-- mrr
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: Morten Reistad
Date: Mar 8, 2008 11:30

In article garlic.com>,
Anne & Lynn Wheeler garlic.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad last.name> writes:
>> The BigBadBank may be in a squeeze themselves, and may have to
>> sell off a bundle of loans to BiggerBadderBank at a discount. Rates
>> between these vary, but 60-85%% of original value is a common band.
>> Reserve requirements often force banks to do this. They try to
>> hand off the most sellable items, normally loans that are only
>> slightly distressed, but still perfectly performing.
>
>just caught tailend of business tv program that (i believe) made the
>statement that UBS is unloading $22billion in mortgages (CDOs?) for
>seventy cents on the dollar.

Just the thing I spoke about; although 70%% seems low.

Here it would be a very useful defense for the homeowner to
be able to take over his own debt at the given rate, and get a
BigFriendlyBank or Corporation to take over the debt at the
reduced rate. At 70%%, and a long horizon on the loan most
homeowners should be able to cope again.
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: greymaus
Date: Mar 8, 2008 12:40

On 2008-03-08, Andrew Swallow btinternet.com> wrote:
> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> Boston news is reported "whole streets" are vacant but that has
>> to be hype.
>
> That can happen if the houses are new (the builder has not sold any),
> a speculator bought the entire street or every one in the street
> worked for the same firm and the firm went bust.

local papers are reporting on Cleveland, Ohio, whole districts empty,
houses being vandalized, etc. End of the article was `But this won't
happen here' (Ireland). main reason it won't happen here is that the
parasites that were benefiting from this would be rapidly hung from
the nearest telephone pole.

--
greymaus
Just Another Grumpy Old Man
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Date: Mar 8, 2008 12:59

Morten Reistad last.name> writes:
> Just the thing I spoke about; although 70%% seems low.
>
> Here it would be a very useful defense for the homeowner to
> be able to take over his own debt at the given rate, and get a
> BigFriendlyBank or Corporation to take over the debt at the
> reduced rate. At 70%%, and a long horizon on the loan most
> homeowners should be able to cope again.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#10 independent appraisers

UBS Declines on Report "Fire Sale" May Lead to More Writedowns
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=a3vVSQtKj2uM&refer=europe

from abvoe:

UBS AG fell to a five-year low in Swiss trading after JPMorgan Chase &
Co. analysts said it probably sold 25 billion francs ($24 billion) of
mortgage-backed securities in a "fire sale" and may have more
writedowns.

... snip ...

and
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Author: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Date: Mar 8, 2008 13:34

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#10 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#14 independent appraisers

a little more ...

UBS fire-sale
http://www.financialnews-us.com/?page=ushome&contentid=2449999494

from above:

Analysts said they believed the Swiss bank had sold its Alt-A
investments to Pimco for 70 cents on the dollar, taking a deep discount
on a CHF26.6bn ($25.7bn) portfolio. UBS’ shares fell 4%% to CHF30.92
after touching a new five-year low of CHF30.88, more than the 1.2%% fall
in the DJ Stoxx European bank index.

... snip ...

and ...

Citigroup To Shrink Mortgage Holdings By $45 Billion
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803070425DOWJONESDJONLINE000534_FORTUNE5...

from above:
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Re: independent appraisers         


Author: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Date: Mar 8, 2008 16:00

Banks face "systemic margin call," $325 billion hit: JPM
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/pri/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1240531§ionID...
Banks face "systemic margin call," $325 billion hit: JPM
http://in.us.biz.yahoo.com/rb/080308/wallstreet_losses_jpm.html?.v=1

Bloomberg: Citigroup May Need Cash as Losses Mount
http://www.monitordaily.com/Story_Page.asp?News_ID=20829&Type=AlsoToday

from above:

Citigroup received $7.5 billion in November from a sovereign wealth fund
in Abu Dhabi and is reportedly getting another $14.5 billion from
investors, including the governments of Singapore and Kuwait.

Bloomberg quoted Sameer al-Ansari, the chief executive officer of Dubai
International, who said, "It will take a lot more than that to rescue
Citi and other financial institutions."

... snip ...

other posts in the saga ...
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#59 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#66 independent appraisers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008e.html#69 independent...
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Author: Lon
Date: Mar 8, 2008 17:37

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
> In article 70-1-84-166.area1.spcsdns.net>,
> Walter Bushell oanix.com> wrote:
>> In article maus.org>,
>> greymaus mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its becoming obvious is that the present problem is just a
>>> continuation of the S&L problem. greenspan is getting the blame,
>>> justified or not
>> He should get some of the blame. I was his job to keep his finger on the
>> pulse of the economy; he blew off warnings.
>
> Greenspan? He doesn't do that work anymore.
>
>
>
>> Of course, trying to stop a speculative boom results in immediate
>> trouble. It's one of those "You can pay now, or you can pay later",
>> situations.
> ...
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Author: Anne & Lynn Wheeler
Date: Mar 8, 2008 17:57

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008f.html#13 independent appraisers

OCC Statement On Reporting Of Securitized Subprime Adjustable Rate
Residential Mortgages
http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/release/2008-27.htm

from above:

The OCC supports the data collection efforts related to the HOPE NOW
alliance, and believes that long-term sustainable loss mitigation
techniques that preserve homeownership are generally in the best
interest of borrowers, servicers, and investors because such strategies
are typically less costly than foreclosure, particularly when applied
before default.

... snip ...

4oct06 guidenced referenced in the above

Guidance on Nontraditional Mortgage Product Risks
http://www.occ.treas.gov/ftp/bulletin/2006-41.html

from above:
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